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Very good news is that there is to be no bass bag limits for the rsa angler in the kent and essex area. Thanks must go to the sea fishing committee, including the guys within the committee who hold commercial interests.

 

Total amount of rsa guys in the public chairs= TWO

 

total amount of commercial guys = LOADS

 

Thanks for the support.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Kent & Essex SFC agreed to accept the advice of the earlier Technical Panel.

 

a ) The Committee does not at this time introduce a byelaw in relation to bag limits on bass.

 

b ) The Committee Officers will assist DEFRA and the MFA in policing landings from unlicensed vessels and other legislation that they introduce, subject to available Officer time

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Very good news is that there is to be no bass bag limits for the rsa angler in the kent and essex area. Thanks must go to the sea fishing committee, including the guys within the committee who hold commercial interests.

 

Total amount of rsa guys in the public chairs= TWO

 

total amount of commercial guys = LOADS

 

Thanks for the support.

 

The commercials were there for the roker issue I think.

 

 

Does that make the score one all after the Tope bylaw?

I fish to live and live to fish.

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The commercials were there for the roker issue I think.

Does that make the score one all after the Tope bylaw?

 

Skate and ray was the biggest issue, your guys got the point across. I think the rsa won only with the help from commercial or the stupidity from defra.

 

I'll agree with your second line. Cheers.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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What was the roker issue about?

sorry Steve i was hearing it but i did not take a lot of notice. All i know it was something that the commercial guys had a lot to say about, please direct the question to Leon, he may well help.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Inshore Fishermen on the East coast of the UK have been shocked to learn that an EU regulation that applies retrospectively from 1st January 2007, has outlawed the targeted fishery of skates and rays, and now only allows them to be landed as a bycatch of 25% of other species.

 

Last year and this year, both commercial fishermen and anglers have reported an upturn on catches of Thornback rays (commonly refererred to and sold as 'skate') in places like the Thames estuary, and have been taken by surprise by the new conservation measures, especially as there appears to have been little effective communication of the new regulations to catchers.

 

We understand that there will be an 'education period' and that fishermen who have landed skates and rays, unaware of the new regulation, will not be penalised.

 

Fishermen are pointing out that Thornback rays (also known as roker), are a mainstay of the inshore fishery at certain times of the year, especially now as the sole quota is gradually being lowered, and are concerned that this will effect the viability of many inshore fishing operations.

 

In some instances orders for new boats and skate nets have had to be cancelled.

 

They also point out that many fish now being returned alive as 'unwanted' (ie spotted-dogfish and whiting) will now be retained to justify the landing of roker, which can often be around 10lb in weight, and that catching an unexpected haul of roker will mean extra effort on other species to legitimise a bycatch.

 

DEFRA have noted that their negotiations as part of the New Year EU fishery talks have resulted in the initial proposal for just a 10% bycatch of skate and rays having been uplifted to 25%, reducing the effect that the initial proposals would have had, particularly on the inshore fishing fleet.

 

The lack of consultation, and lack of communication of the new measures are being strongly condemned from a number of quarters.

 

(The new regulation which applies to areas IIa and IV can be viewed at page 77 at:http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/oj/2007/l_015/l_01520070120en00010213.pdf )

 

Our understanding is that the restrictions only apply to registered fishing vessels and will not affect anglers or angling chart boats, although SACN urges anglers to consider returning elasmobranchs (shark and ray species), because of their vulnerability, being slow growing, long-lived and of producing relatively few young, and their importance within healthy marine ecosystems.

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Inshore Fishermen on the East coast of the UK have been shocked to learn that an EU regulation that applies retrospectively from 1st January 2007, has outlawed the targeted fishery of skates and rays, and now only allows them to be landed as a bycatch of 25% of other species.

 

Last year and this year, both commercial fishermen and anglers have reported an upturn on catches of Thornback rays (commonly refererred to and sold as 'skate') in places like the Thames estuary, and have been taken by surprise by the new conservation measures, especially as there appears to have been little effective communication of the new regulations to catchers.

 

We understand that there will be an 'education period' and that fishermen who have landed skates and rays, unaware of the new regulation, will not be penalised.

 

Fishermen are pointing out that Thornback rays (also known as roker), are a mainstay of the inshore fishery at certain times of the year, especially now as the sole quota is gradually being lowered, and are concerned that this will effect the viability of many inshore fishing operations.

 

In some instances orders for new boats and skate nets have had to be cancelled.

 

They also point out that many fish now being returned alive as 'unwanted' (ie spotted-dogfish and whiting) will now be retained to justify the landing of roker, which can often be around 10lb in weight, and that catching an unexpected haul of roker will mean extra effort on other species to legitimise a bycatch.

 

DEFRA have noted that their negotiations as part of the New Year EU fishery talks have resulted in the initial proposal for just a 10% bycatch of skate and rays having been uplifted to 25%, reducing the effect that the initial proposals would have had, particularly on the inshore fishing fleet.

 

The lack of consultation, and lack of communication of the new measures are being strongly condemned from a number of quarters.

 

(The new regulation which applies to areas IIa and IV can be viewed at page 77 at:http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/oj/2007/l_015/l_01520070120en00010213.pdf )

 

Our understanding is that the restrictions only apply to registered fishing vessels and will not affect anglers or angling chart boats, although SACN urges anglers to consider returning elasmobranchs (shark and ray species), because of their vulnerability, being slow growing, long-lived and of producing relatively few young, and their importance within healthy marine ecosystems.

 

 

Many thanks for posting what was discussed in detail at the meeting Ronessex, was you there? This is what i was listening to but because it did not affect me it did not sink in. Now i understand the situation. As a rsa i have taken blonde ray home previously but now i let them go along with the thornback. Cheers.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Many thanks for posting what was discussed in detail at the meeting Ronessex, was you there? This is what i was listening to but because it did not affect me it did not sink in. Now i understand the situation. As a rsa i have taken blonde ray home previously but now i let them go along with the thornback. Cheers.

 

 

Another case where anglers can and will land a lot more thornback ray than the commercials can legally.

I fish to live and live to fish.

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Another case where anglers can and will land a lot more thornback ray than the commercials can legally.

 

 

No Wurzel, in the last three years, i've more than likely hooked the same one four times. Or was it five.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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