a simple question

[nick]

It's an unfortunate fact of life that when the government ask for your views you need to give them your views in the way they want. You do not need to say what they hope for, but it needs to be recognizable as fitting the parameters they are looking for.

 

Unfortunately I suspect that DEFRA would say they do listen to ICES and that they do enforce the rules. It is best to look at things from DEFRA's perspective, understand their mindset, and set about making them understand things by using that inside knowledge. Attempting to be "smart" won't work.

 

If you want to be listened to by DEFRA, and want to have an impact then I am afraid that you need to play by their rules, it is there game.

 

And before anyone tells me that civil disobedience, or withdrawal from negotiations works please talk to the folks I grew up with in a mining community in Yorkshire. Sorry I should say former mining community.

 

They took the approach that we can beat the government of the day by doing it our way, they had a lot more weapons at their disposal, and look what happened to them!

[barry luxton]

And before anyone tells me that civil disobedience, or withdrawal from negotiations works please talk to the folks I grew up with in a mining community in Yorkshire. Sorry I should say former mining community.

 

They took the approach that we can beat the government of the day by doing it our way, they had a lot more weapons at their disposal, and look what happened to them!

 

Off topic

Most of my relatives including my mother came from a place called aberfan, glad it's all cleaned up nicely now. Pity about most of my uncles who ended up on disability with lung problems. Glad maggie won though as i didnt want to be ruled by the likes of mr scargill.

[wurzel]

It would be easy Nick.

 

DEFRA to listen to ICES and act upon the evidence and enforce the rules. Stop commercial fishermen from finishing off the sea before its too late. Simple question simple answer. No need for a big list Nick it would all come right if they kept the pirates of the sea in check.

 

Hello Glen

 

Do you realy want DEFRA to act upon Ices advice of Zero catch of cod ?

[wurzel]

but I'm afraid that that sort of answer will just get binned (I suspect) as it doesn't actually say anything.

 

For someone who so clearly knows what you don't want Glenn you are very reticent about saying what you do want.

 

Let's start you off with an example:

 

In 2027 I want to be able to fish from my local beach with a reasonable expectation of being able to catch a cod of greater than 10lbs in weight. Much as I would have been able to do in the 1960's.

 

 

I predict 2027 will arrive and there are still no cod, you are restricted with all sorts of rules and regulations you will have very large foreign trawlers working up to your golden mile, and your catches will be no better than they are to day .

 

Any body willing to hold the bets

[glennk]

Let's start you off with an example:

 

In 2027 I want to be able to fish from my local beach with a reasonable expectation of being able to catch a cod of greater than 10lbs in weight. Much as I would have been able to do in the 1960's.

 

And could in the 90's

 

29 pound from a mark 10 mins from my home.

 

 

18 pound from a mark 10 mins from my home

 

http://www.whitbyseaanglers.co.uk/images/Bri%201.jpg

 

and 2003

 

 

and by myself in 2003 - Nearly 15 pounds

 

 

13 pounds in 2005

 

 

 

And again in Dec 2006 I had another double figure cod. I have no complaints Nick Just keep the commercials in line and I'll be a happy bunny. Sorry but I wont be writing a big list to Santa.

 

 

Commercial haul not too long ago

 

 

 

 

Nick,

 

Why is it we aren't allowed to say what we don't want ?

Edited March 18, 2007 by glennk