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The recreational shell fishermen want to see a healthy fishery as much as the commercial man does; the restricted licence holder is not restricted on what he can catch, but what he is allowed to take home.

Hence the numbers of lobsters that these licence holders are catching (if reported accurately) could be of great beneficial information to future stock evaluations.

 

If we keep on turning round and saying that it’s all just a waste of time as long as the commercial fishery’s have discards then what is the point Barry.

I know where you’re coming from and I can understand your frustration at times. But let’s get our own house in order first so that a united effort can be made to improve things on a larger scale.

As for who is going to pay for all this? It all comes out of a budget my friend the same as everything else that makes the world go round.

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These restricted licences ain't gonna make one differece to the thieves who go out, catch and sell for cash. (black fishing) all it is doing is creating another level of cashflow out, that is not going to be effective, licence the innocent. Appears to be targetting the wrong guys.Has there been prosecutions and have they been ineffective? In addition the likes of one wrotten apple, t a trawlers and his co-conspiritors, this week can cause so much damage compared with hundreds of rsa guys yet the powers to be are cutting inspections, but clamping down on innocent odinaries. Don't make sence. Defra is already overspent (our money). So we start at the bottom of the chain, spend more dosh and work our way up the chain to the cfp. Hmmmm.

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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These restricted licences ain't gonna make one differece to the thieves who go out, catch and sell for cash. (black fishing) all it is doing is creating another level of cashflow out, that is not going to be effective, licence the innocent. Appears to be targetting the wrong guys.Has there been prosecutions and have they been ineffective? In addition the likes of one wrotten apple, t a trawlers and his co-conspiritors, this week can cause so much damage compared with hundreds of rsa guys yet the powers to be are cutting inspections, but clamping down on innocent odinaries. Don't make sence. Defra is already overspent (our money). So we start at the bottom of the chain, spend more dosh and work our way up the chain to the cfp. Hmmmm.

Barry.

The restrictive licensing scheme does I assure you make it easier for enforcement of the said fishery. They have been introduced to do just that.

Yes there have been prosecutions in the past and there are many ongoing.

Hopefully the new licensing scheme and accountability will deter the ones who they are aimed at.

A lot of the feedback that I have had from the restricted licence holders is positive and they can see the benefits that could come from better enforcement policy.

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The restrictive licensing scheme does I assure you make it easier for enforcement of the said fishery. They have been introduced to do just that.

Yes there have been prosecutions in the past and there are many ongoing.

Hopefully the new licensing scheme and accountability will deter the ones who they are aimed at.

A lot of the feedback that I have had from the restricted licence holders is positive and they can see the benefits that could come from better enforcement policy.

 

As it appears that your sfc is very dilligent in the control of the rsa lobster fishermen for the protection of the stock, what about the commercial potters, how effective are the controls for that sector. I do not know how the system works and i'm left wondering if the sfc is as effective for that part of the fishery.

 

I have seen lobsters being transshipped from a potter to another boat while moored opposite the harbour office and cash sent back, i didn't know if this was the norm or not. Do the controls in place have to work on trust.

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Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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I have seen lobsters being transshipped from a potter to another boat while moored opposite the harbour office and cash sent back, i didn't know if this was the norm or not. Do the controls in place have to work on trust.

 

 

What wrong doing do you imply going on there then Barry?

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Hi Challenge,

 

I can understand what your saying about licensing with shellfish; i'd guess all the fishers (commercial or Rec) see an advantage to the bylaws; i;d guess that people from both groups pushed for them?

 

Looking from afar, I have a couple of questions though; but based on a couple of assumptions so plz blow them away if in wrong.

 

1. Lobster fisheries on the east coast are very much a result of the fantastic rocky ground that attracts them year after year.

 

2. These fantastic lobster habitats are being seeded from elsewhere? IF so where? and is it in control of a SFC?

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What wrong doing do you imply going on there then Barry?

Hi Wurzel, not implying anything. I,m tellng you what i saw. If it is legal and that is how it's done then fine. If it is not.......... you tell me was it correct?

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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RSA V Commercial slanging matcc with exactly the same being said

 

Yes Glenn; but you don't have to read them or respond.

 

When you are cheesed off, start a topic which you might feel more appropriate to conservation and political issues.

 

Some of us feel duty-bound to open the eyes of those who have the power to change the unsatisfactory state of inshore fish stocks.

That state is surely not in doubt and if I can do anything to:

keep nets off nursery grounds around our shores and in our harbours,

cut out the discards (make it illegal to dump undersized fish and bring 'em back to make processed fish products but still to make it illegal to sell them! That should sort out the problem of 5% take and 95% discards!)

and force fishermen to fish objectively on designated grounds with suitable meshes to avoid the shoals of immature fish,

 

then I will try.

 

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These topics very quickly all become the same. RSA V Commercial slanging matcc with exactly the same being said (By The same people) time and time again. The topics should be closed after 2 pages. IMHO :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

Come on boys this thread has nothing to do with potting or trawing :headhurt:

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Yes Glenn; but you don't have to read them or respond.

 

When you are cheesed off, start a topic which you might feel more appropriate to conservation and political issues.

 

Some of us feel duty-bound to open the eyes of those who have the power to change the unsatisfactory state of inshore fish stocks.

 

 

<_<

 

I rarely do read them these days other than the couple I am interested in.

 

Also I agree with most the points you make HA but going over the same ground time and time again with Wurzel et al does noone any favours. You will never alter their way of thinking. Save yourself some time, effort and sanity by focussing on those you can influence. ;)

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