Sajid Javid and Shamima Begums' baby.

[Ken L]

Yes, I've had grief several times too. It's only happened once when I've been on my own but it happened two or three times when I was out and about with my partner (she was Indian) and although she was clearly very upset, she refused point blank to tell me what was said. If it had benn in Konkani/Marathi, I'd likely have caught it but my Hindi/Urdu wasn't up to it.

[Steve Walker]

Yes, there was a lot of it about and often it was even codified into hateful works of "philosophy":

Where is your evidence that Salvini, Orban etc are fascists?

Same as Jim's - walking and quacking. The extreme nationalism and scapegoating minorities are the worrying behaviours for me.

[Ken L]

Same as Jim's - walking and quacking. The extreme nationalism and scapegoating minorities are the worrying behaviours for me.

 

But the politicians that I listed aren't "scapegoating minorities", they are simply saying that people who are in their counties illegally should be sent home and that those who have been granted a right to live in their countries should have those "rights" rescinded when they commit crimes against the country that they have been allowed to enter.

[gozzer]

I'm surprised that the situation is being likened to Nazi Germany and the persecution of the Jews.

 

How about a situation where the indigenous peoples were overcome by the mass influx of immigrants, i.e. USA, and Australia? It didn't turn out too well for the locals when different cultures, religion, and lifestyles, were imposed on them.

 

John.

Edited March 12, 2019 by gozzer

[chesters1]

Tell that to the mayans!

[Ken L]

I'm surprised that the situation is being likened to Nazi Germany and the persicution of the Jews.

 

How about a situation where the indigenous peoples were overcome by the mass influx of immigrants, i.e. USA, and Australia? It didn't turn out too well for the locals when different cultures, religion, and lifestyles, were imposed on them.

 

John.

My quote about he Jews was actually from Karl Marx - not much changes...

[Steve Walker]

I'm surprised that the situation is being likened to Nazi Germany and the persecution of the Jews.

 

How about a situation where the indigenous peoples were overcome by the mass influx of immigrants, i.e. USA, and Australia? It didn't turn out too well for the locals when different cultures, religion, and lifestyles, were imposed on them.

The combination of economic depression and populists using nationalism and the stirring up of people's basest emotions against out-groups in society to offer simplistic solutions to complex problems fits well. We don't have a massively technologically superior society turning up and colonising us.

 

I watched an interesting set of documentaries on the Holocaust recently, and the most chilling thing was the realisation that the people enabling and committing atrocities were not coerced. They believed the propaganda. They believed that their hatred against fellow human beings was justified. They were just ordinary human beings.

 

If it happened again, I am quite certain that people we each know would collaborate, in the sincere belief that they were doing the right thing.

 

Fomenting hatred is a dangerous game.

[Andrew]

A few snaps of Aushwitz from my grand daughters recent trip.

 

 

 

 

[Ken L]

We don't have a massively technologically superior society turning up and colonising us.

 

I watched an interesting set of documentaries on the Holocaust recently, and the most chilling thing was the realisation that the people enabling and committing atrocities were not coerced. They believed the propaganda. They believed that their hatred against fellow human beings was justified. They were just ordinary human beings.

Have you also become aware of what is known as "The culture war"?

I hate to break this to you but the intersectional identity politics of the left and the tech giants, organs of state and media that support them have you firmly in their sights as the source of all society's ills if you are male, white, straight and over 30 - and their bigotry is sanctioned and socially approved by people who believe that their hatred of you is fully justified and that you should be excluded from social discourse or even employment on account of you being "Pale, male and stale".

Sound familiar?

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[Steve Walker]

I'm still pretty goddam privileged, Ken. I guess if I did get equality imposed on me, it would feel a lot like oppression. I'm not worried it's going to happen soon.

 

I'm well aware of what's going on (mostly) in the US, and of the people who have made a career out of complaining about it (and in the case of Alex Jones and his fellow travellers, lying about it). I think Brits complaining about it have a lot in common with my friend who is always posting memes about racial oppression from US sources. We don't have the same degree of historical and current oppression, and we don't have the same degree of backlash. We don't have the pernicious racism of the US, though we have more than enough, and apart from a few silly NUS snowflakes we don't have the same degree of reaction to it.