Interesting stuff Phone

[Huge_Vitae]

So I suppose now we will have to listen to Trump for two years, whining and crying that the wicked Democrats are stopping him from Making America Great Again.

I hope that the Democratic house does not spend too much time and effort trying to impeach him. This will just end in Trump whining that he is being persecuted (an no-one crys about that like Donny) and this could incentivise his base even more to re-elect him in 2020.

If that happened God help us all.

It was always going to be a win win situation for him, listening to some Democrats this morning hearing the buzz words about Republicans and Democrats ‘pulling together’ and ‘finding common ground’ for the benefit of Americans.

 

Anybody putting odds on them all doing what they are supposed to do?

[Phone]

Sportsman,

 

Just a casual comment. . . you say, " his base even more to re-elect him in 2020."

 

What if we are wrong, what if his "base" is the majority?

 

Phone

[corydoras]

It was always going to be a win win situation for him, listening to some Democrats this morning hearing the buzz words about Republicans and Democrats ‘pulling together’ and ‘finding common ground’ for the benefit of Americans.

 

Anybody putting odds on them all doing what they are supposed to do?

With such an inclusive leader it's gonna be a piece of cake, a walk in the park.

[Phone]

All,

 

Hugh, You have hit upon the nub. You suggest, "for the benefit of Americans."

 

We certainly are struggling to define your comment. Exactly what, in the grand scheme of the 21st century "benefits Americans". It is the same as saying "Make America Great A G A I N"

 

Our daily table waste exceeds the agricultural output of the African Continent.

 

We need a crash course on what went wrong in ROME. Slave labor, overspending military, rise of an Eastern Empire, government corruption and instability, the advent of Christianity and loss of traditional values.

 

In the industrial revolution Britain led the world in advances that enabled mass production: trade exchanges, transportation, factory technology and new skills needed for the new industrialized world and we followed that matrix to successes beyond the accomplishments of any previous society. (don't let Chesters1 see this part). We are master consumers.

 

A quote - "... with full bellies and nothing better to do but engage in finger-pointing at us. First, China does not export revolution; second, it does not export famine and poverty; and third, it does not mess around with you. So what else is there to say? - Xi Jinping. How does salting our largest trading partner "benefit Americans"?

 

 

Phone

[chesters1]

I often use Britain as a world leader, I often say how quick it fell to a 3rd world country

The trouble is our leaders have the impression it still is and happily pass loaves to people with more than us instead of passing them around to their minions at home.

They still think the flag covers the world and act it but fail to realise it doesnt even cover the mainland any more

They will fallover themselves trying to be big and fighting other peoples wars but neglect their own kind by letting the enemy creep in through wide open borders

Edited November 7, 2018 by chesters1

[Huge_Vitae]

All,

 

Hugh, You have hit upon the nub. You suggest, "for the benefit of Americans."

 

We certainly are struggling to define your comment. Exactly what, in the grand scheme of the 21st century "benefits Americans". It is the same as saying "Make America Great A G A I N"

 

Our daily table waste exceeds the agricultural output of the African Continent.

 

We need a crash course on what went wrong in ROME. Slave labor, overspending military, rise of an Eastern Empire, government corruption and instability, the advent of Christianity and loss of traditional values.

 

In the industrial revolution Britain led the world in advances that enabled mass production: trade exchanges, transportation, factory technology and new skills needed for the new industrialized world and we followed that matrix to successes beyond the accomplishments of any previous society. (don't let Chesters1 see this part). We are master consumers.

 

A quote - "... with full bellies and nothing better to do but engage in finger-pointing at us. First, China does not export revolution; second, it does not export famine and poverty; and third, it does not mess around with you. So what else is there to say? - Xi Jinping. How does salting our largest trading partner "benefit Americans"?

 

 

Phone

Make America Great again, a simple collection of words, same as working together, finding common ground etc, etc, pick any set from many examples of synonyms, they all mean, how can I gain more power for myself and my friends and thus more money, usually not in the short term but in the future. In this case two years time.

 

Regarding Trump and China, a reason came to me a while ago but I’m afraid to say it’s so ridiculous that it might very well be true.

[Ken L]

We need a crash course on what went wrong in ROME. Slave labor, overspending military, rise of an Eastern Empire, government corruption and instability, the advent of Christianity and loss of traditional values.

That and mass migration, allowing the barbarians citizenship and permitting them to set up home in the capital, overreliance on cheap foreign labour and the inevitable consequences of recruiting a foreign army with no loyalty to the state.

 

The US hasn't gone down that last path yet - but we have.

[Phone]

Ken,

 

I am not going to engage in anecdotal examples. That's to Googlely. (have I constructed a new adverb?

 

As a less than average student I'll choose democracy. I did Google Churchill's exact quote, “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”

 

It just seems to me, of course I could be wrong, we have lost sight of the core requirements, or at least some of those requirements. We have to have a certain level of education and civilization of the population. Freedom of speech and press, personal freedom (culture, religion, lifestyle,art etc) All rights, and freedoms should be strictly coupled with responsibility and accountability

 

This also came from Googling, The four pillars of democracy: Intact, free standing, independent from each other, pillars of democracy - the legislature, the executive, the judiciary and the media.

 

And, as for my part, "religion" should be defined as an understanding of what constitutes wealth. Do it any way you choose but there must be a social understanding of "measurable accomplishment" that is beyond your material possessions

 

Phone

Edited November 7, 2018 by Phone

[corydoras]

That and mass migration, allowing the barbarians citizenship and permitting them to set up home in the capital, overreliance on cheap foreign labour and the inevitable consequences of recruiting a foreign army with no loyalty to the state.

 

The US hasn't gone down that last path yet - but we have.

You seem to forget the millions of Empire and Commonwealth troops that fought on our side in the Great War and WWII.

 

Edited November 7, 2018 by corydoras

[chesters1]

Ken,

 

I am not going to engage in anecdotal examples. That's to Googlely. (have I constructed a new adverb?

 

As a less than average student I'll choose democracy. I did Google Churchill's exact quote, Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.

 

It just seems to me, of course I could be wrong, we have lost sight of the core requirements, or at least some of those requirements. We have to have a certain level of education and civilization of the population. Freedom of speech and press, personal freedom (culture, religion, lifestyle,art etc) All rights, and freedoms should be strictly coupled with responsibility and accountability

 

This also came from Googling, The four pillars of democracy: Intact, free standing, independent from each other, pillars of democracy - the legislature, the executive, the judiciary and the media.

 

And, as for my part, "religion" should be defined as an understanding of what constitutes wealth. Do it any way you choose but there must be a social understanding of "measurable accomplishment" that is beyond your material possessions

 

Phone

Strange 'democracy' doesnt mention the people or is democracy only for the ruling elite?