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Love the smell of greenhouses and it is a sort of comfort zone.
It's funny. I don't really like gardening. I don't mind mowing a lawn, cutting a nice lawn with a really good cylinder mower on a nice day is a pleasure to me. I hate weeding and I hate doing herbaceous borders, but I loved my greenhouse. Like a garden indoors. It never really got cold in mine because I used to heat it (paraffin) from mid Feb or so.

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It's funny. I don't really like gardening. I don't mind mowing a lawn, cutting a nice lawn with a really good cylinder mower on a nice day is a pleasure to me. I hate weeding and I hate doing herbaceous borders, but I loved my greenhouse. Like a garden indoors. It never really got cold in mine because I used to heat it (paraffin) from mid Feb or so.

 

 

Totally :offtopic: still whatever floats your boat i suppose. (travian post 18 touche) :)

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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Totally :offtopic: still whatever floats your boat i suppose. (travian post 18 touche) :)
Ken started off about greenhouses and that got me going. I just didn't want to get into one of these daft 'my OS is better than your OS' conversations in the Travian thread, I wasn't really trying to pull the tread back on course or owt like that.

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I was a bit puzzled because the symptoms you describe usually happen when you use a Type B mcb (the normal domestic one) with a big inductive load, like a transformer or a motor and yet you said you only have heaters in there. The pumps could be the culprits. It's not much help to you now but you might well have been OK using a 16A type C mcb. These are designed to react slower and not be tripped so easily by inrush currents. That would have given you a bit more overload protection for your expensive cable than the 32A one will. You'll still be protected against fault conditions, as a short circuit will still trip the big breaker quickly, but you need to not be tempted to start putting loads more electrical equipment in there just because you can now handle 32A!

You also have to think about what is "upstream" of the 32A breaker.

 

PS. I am not an electrician, I'm an electrical engineer working in a different field, so I can't advise on regulations that might be applicable to what you are doing.

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As colinw states i think it might be the mcb rating that is the issue, if the start up load and the type of heating you are using takes a high load on start up then the mcb will trip, i would trying using the next one up fom the one currentley in use, ie if you using a type "b" then go up one.

just one more cast then I'am off home

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Mystery solved, I upgraded the MCB to 32amp and for two days all was well then off it went.

 

SO I went down and systematically started to check every circuit and on the underground soil heater thermostat I found some very shoddy wiring which was arcing under load, I replaced the slightly scorched section of cable and whilst at it checked all other elements of wiring redoing the feed which was very shoddy. That was yesterday and it has functioned OK since.

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Mystery solved, I upgraded the MCB to 32amp and for two days all was well then off it went.

 

SO I went down and systematically started to check every circuit and on the underground soil heater thermostat I found some very shoddy wiring which was arcing under load, I replaced the slightly scorched section of cable and whilst at it checked all other elements of wiring redoing the feed which was very shoddy. That was yesterday and as it all functioned OK since.

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Ken - you really ought to have a 16A RCBO on that circuit as its outside and underground.

It's for your own (and your workers) good - Yes even if you do have an RCCD device on the incomer.

 

Type B should be fine for normal loads - if you had some big couple of KW pumps or a compressor then a C might be needed.

(As it's 'industrial' I'd have gone for a C - just gives motors a bit more time to spin up).

 

6mm sq SWA cable can give you 60 odd amps where fitted properly - so no probs with that plumbing.

 

And cos I'm a pro I have to point out any changes you make to outside leccy stuff comes under that infernal 'part P' of the building regs. But - methinks adding an RCBO where you had an MCB shouldn't be a problem - as long as you test it regular like.

 

Glad you found the cause of the arcing:-

I've been popping 32A trips at work all day - makes a bit of a fizz and have taken out 4 rectifiers doobris at £150 a pop, opps. (And that was being caused by an intermittent earth fault too).

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