Fishing with bow and arrow?

[dave6223]

Peter Waller:

Dave, if it was illegal then a lot of people unintentionally broke the law!

Hehe hehe

[chesters1]

i am a little confused about the firearms regs ,one bit says that any gun that fires through a barrel a missile that can kill is a firearm ,no mention of rifleing :confused: this should include airguns and shot guns because ofcourse both can kill and rifles /pistols ofcourse ,whilst in the shotgun section its not a firearm as such because it has a smooth bore :confused:

so a long gun or a brown bess much liked by our ancestors in the colonies is a shotgun although firing a single ball :confused:

does this mean we can buy anti tank missiles ,the ones like bazookas or the modern concentina type or even wire guided missiles because they use a smooth barrel with a shotgun licence :confused: that would make clay pidgeon shooting very entertaining

 

[ 01. October 2004, 07:32 PM: Message edited by: chesters1 ]

[Jeff S]

chesters1:

i am a little confused about the firearms regs ,one bit says that any gun that fires through a barrel a missile that can kill is a firearm ,no mention of rifleing     :confused:     this should include airguns and shot guns because ofcourse both can kill and rifles /pistols ofcourse ,whilst in the shotgun section its not a firearm as such because it has a smooth bore     :confused:    

so a long gun or a brown bess much liked by our ancestors in the colonies is a shotgun although firing a single ball      :confused:  

Well this thread blew up didn't it? Chesters I'm confused a bit by your terminology. Long gun? Brown Bess?

 

What regs are you looking at? A single projectile fired from a shotgun we would call a slug and not very accurate either. Most firearms in the States are classed as a rimfire, or centerfire. Blackpowder and shotguns I think are classified differently.

 

Course this is more than likely different here. You can buy firearms over the counter in the states with a waiting period and background check thanks to the Brady bill however, my local tackle shop sells pellet guns but if there are any stipulations I wouldn't know.

 

The problem is that firearms/weapons are available to people that want the power but not the responsibility that goes with them. Anything can become a weapon in the right hands. It's how the weapons are used by the people behind them.

 

[ 01. October 2004, 08:21 PM: Message edited by: Jeff S ]

[Newt]

Brown Bess - Short Land Service Musket used by Brit troops in the later 1700s (ABOUT 1765 and later) and of interest to us mainly because it was carried by them during the American Revolution. Barrel 42 inches and weight about 10lbs. Replaced the Long Land Service Musket which had a barrel length of 46 inches.

 

[chesters1]

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Well this thread blew up didn't it?

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too much powder :confused:

and i need a firearms certificate for my elderly air rifle because its pre `63 :confused: or because i need a licence for the ether :confused: :confused:

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A single projectile fired from a shotgun we would call a slug and not very accurate either.

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if its not shot then it becomes a smoothbore gun after all a shotgun is called that because it fires shot rather than 1 projectile :confused:

 

[ 01. October 2004, 10:11 PM: Message edited by: chesters1 ]

[dave6223]

chesters1:

i am a little confused about the firearms regs ,one bit says that any gun that fires through a barrel a missile that can kill is a firearm ,no mention of rifleing      :confused:      this should include airguns and shot guns because ofcourse both can kill and rifles /pistols ofcourse ,whilst in the shotgun section its not a firearm as such because it has a smooth bore      :confused:      

so a long gun or a brown bess much liked by our ancestors in the colonies is a shotgun although firing a single ball       :confused:    

does this mean we can buy anti tank missiles ,the ones like bazookas or the modern concentina type or even wire guided missiles because they use a smooth barrel with a shotgun licence     :confused:     that would make clay pidgeon shooting very entertaining

Definition of a firearm is a lethal barelled weapon. The exclusions to section one firearms acts are (some)

1. Shotgun, should have a smooth bore not less than 24" long.

2. Airgun.

 

Interestingly, if an offence is comitted, for example, if you take an airgun onto property where you do not have permission to be, that becomes trespass with a firearm.

 

[ 01. October 2004, 11:14 PM: Message edited by: dave6223 ]

[chesters1]

so is a shotgun a shotgun when it isnt firing shot :confused:

[dave6223]

chesters1:

so is a shotgun a shotgun when it isnt firing shot   :confused:  

No, if you use any cartridge with a "slug" loaded in it it becomes a section one firearm. In 12ga I think the minimum number of shot in a cartridge is 4. All very complicated stuff! If you shorten the barrel to less than 24" its section one. If you increase the power of an air rifle to over 12 ft/lb its section one, if you increase the power of an air pistol over 6 ft/lb its section 5, ie prohibited weapon.

 

Section five includes such weapons as hand guns, automatic weapons( machine guns, sub machine guns) cs gas canisters, hand grenades etc.

[chesters1]

hmmm its intesting the word "increase" in relation to an air rifle :confused: was the 1963?? act in relation to footpounds or velocity of an air rifle backwards compatible or does it relate to any airguns sold after that date ,i.e if you owned an airgun predating to 1963?? you would immediatly be a lawbreaker because it was more powerfull than the new limit :confused:

[Nugg]

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[QB] i am a little confused about the firearms regs ,one bit says that any gun that fires through a barrel a missile that can kill is a firearm ,no mention of rifleing :confused: /QB]

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Chesters

A rifled barrel is to keep the projectile straight and true by causing spin, even tanks have rifled barrels. Such a barrel would do nothing but harm for a smooth bore shot gun, in fact I think it would make it a danger to the user.