Lockerbie Bomber Freed

[Alan Stubbs]

I have logged in to make you aware of one thing you have all missed.

Terrorists are prepared to die for their cause, BUT, they are going to run out of terrorists unless they find a "soft" target.

 

 

We didn't miss it - it wasn't mentioned because it is self evident that SOME terrorists, not all, are prepared to die for their cause.

 

Terrorists don't always go for a soft target - a Royal Marines' depot 'soft'? (armed sentry at all access points), 10 Downing Street 'soft' ? (it has an armed guard outside although it is gated off from public access - and it was mortared from outside the MOD building in Whitehall).

 

The British security services are so incompetent that since the 1950's we have been a soft target, so your revelation is over 50 years late. Incompetent security services... Burgess, Philby, Blunt, Maclean, Vassall, Kruger..... all got away with treachery for many years before they were discovered. At one time, evidence was put together which even suggesed that the head of the service Roger Hollis, was under suspicion as a Russian agent.

 

As a self-confessed Christian, you miss the biblical stricture 'judge not that ye be not judged' and lacking in humanity - it has been known for some years that the guy was being treated for cancer - divine retribution of ever there was, and it is an act of humanity to allow him home to die. It also saves the British tax-payer money - about which, given your track record on immigration issues, I'd have thought you'd have been grateful to see him repatriated.

 

 

In all, your implied lack of enthusiasm for the decision, which we are told, is compliant with Scottish legal process, is a little inconsistent with your posts on previous threads about immigration issues and Christian beliefs,

Edited August 23, 2009 by Alan Stubbs

[kleinboet]

Ah! the usual PC BS!! It does not matter whether he was guilty or not of actually blowing the plane up and killing over 200 people in cold blood or not - he is (and always will be) a TERRORIST!!!

 

As you have very publicly pointed out our week points which MAY have been missed, the UK will now HAVE to beef up it's anti-terrorist stance!

 

This is the country that CONDONES the jeering of anti-war (but not anti terrorist) individuals when Britain was bringing back it's war dead.

This is the country that when we have black on white racial violence will sweep it under the carpet (but not if it was the other way round!)

We have gone soft - so soft that the terrorist will look on us as a prime target!!

I am a commited Christian But the terrorists aren't!!!

[barry luxton]

it has been known for some years that the guy was being treated for cancer - divine retribution of ever there was, and it is an act of humanity to allow him home to die.

that may well be the case, don't you think it's a little bit funny that they let him out as walking wounded instead of on a trolly with an oxygen mask attached. They could have waited a bit to make it more realistic the reason of compassion for the innocent relatives to stomach surly.

 

No matter what is thought of the court case, the man was guilty. He was also awake enough to sus out if he dropped his appeal to allow himself to be released as above.

[mr motorola]

Have they given this bloke (can't be ar5ed typing his name) some sort of timeline with his health? 3 months or so?

 

What if he happens to stretch that timeline out to say 6-12 months or maybe even years? We've all heard of the stories of doctors giving patients weeks to live and they keep on ticking , sometimes the ailment goes into remission , what happens then? I'm not stirring anything up , i just don't know.

 

If (just as a for instance) this guy doesn't die and carries out a much longer stay of life , say another 5 years , who is to blame , the specialists that analysed and gave him the timeline or the gits who released him?

 

And what about if they specialists were correct , he dies , could his funeral be worthy of a state funeral to rub even more salt into the wounds and egg on the faces of his releasers?

 

It has really opened up a can of worms that should have stayed intact and put to the back of the cupboard for a long long time.

[Alan Stubbs]

Ah! the usual PC BS!! It does not matter whether he was guilty or not of actually blowing the plane up and killing over 200 people in cold blood or not - he is (and always will be) a TERRORIST!!!

 

As you have very publicly pointed out our week points which MAY have been missed, the UK will now HAVE to beef up it's anti-terrorist stance!

 

This is the country that CONDONES the jeering of anti-war (but not anti terrorist) individuals when Britain was bringing back it's war dead.

This is the country that when we have black on white racial violence will sweep it under the carpet (but not if it was the other way round!)

We have gone soft - so soft that the terrorist will look on us as a prime target!!

I am a commited Christian But the terrorists aren't!!!

 

The thoughts of Chairman Kleinboet, are as usual devoid of much in the way of accuracy of fact or evidence to validate your increasingly comical offerings, fortunately reduced of late.

 

If you want to start throwing abuse, at least have the decency to get your FACTS in order before you waste our time.

We are not bringing back 'war dead' - we are NOT at war. For a definition, this is a good start: The law of war - Ingrid Detter Delupis - 2000 - Law - 516 pages.

 

We have not 'declared war', in any legal sense since 1939, and quite definitely not with the Falklands, Korea, Suez, Iraq (on either occasion) or Afghanistan. The reasons are many and inconvenient for the government - not to say costly - it would wreck the already weak insurance industry (Act of God and Force Majeure invocations have serious implications on the insurer and the Treasury).

 

Your reply is the sort of thing which makes a complete mockery of any pretence you make of being a 'commited Christian'. I don't condone anyone jeering and shouting abuse at a passing coffin, that they are the military says nothing other than they died doing what they were paid to do. Dead by industrial injury, if you want to be literal. I know it sounds harsh. Deliberately so - to counterbalance the quaint postings with which you regale us.

 

You call yourself a 'Commited Christian' How does that equate to telling people that they aren't welcome, as you did in previous posts about immigration? - It doesn't.

How do your 'commited Christian' values square with the things you've espoused regarding compassionate release - they don't in the least, except to a minority of one, I suspect.

 

As a 'Commited Christian', you are the last person who should be passing judgment on others...it simply isn't your right according to the writings in the Bible which you maintain are the word of God

 

We are unlikely ever to agree on much, for which I am profoundly grateful, but I find it quite ironic that you complain when I was rude about you, yet you feel it's OK to accuse someone of offering PC BS - I assume you mean 'politically correct bullshit' but are obviously too spineless or imbued with PC youself to be direct when you make a claim to be something whch you simply cannot be if we are to accept your postings without gullibility.

 

You're either a 'Commited Christian' or delusional liar - or does being a 'commited Christian' require that you be a delusional liar? You can't adopt several of your postures and at the same time claim to be a commited Christian, or do you simply absolve yourself with the occasional 'Hail Mary' to give your conscience temporary respite? I strongly doubt you have a conscience, or you couldn't hold some of the beliefs you've offered us in the past.The assertions you make suggest strongly that you put country before faith - which is quite definitely counter to Christian beliefs.

 

The logical argument is strongly against you KB, sufficiently so for your usual plea to the base emotions of the tabloid reader to be wasted.

 

You said "As you have very publicly pointed out our week points which MAY have been missed, the UK will now HAVE to beef up it's anti-terrorist stance!" - In your previous post you said we'd actually overlooked our week (sic) points, now faced with a dissenting comment, you move your ground to say we 'may' have missed. I repeat, we hadn't mentioned it because it would be to state the bleeding obvious and an unecessary observation to anyone except a half wit.

 

It's our anti-terrorist stance which is largely responsible for soldiers being flown home in boxes, a subtle but crucial point you appear to have missed, or you needn't have made an issue of it, unless you enjoy your own writings. What else can be done? It was the Christians who went on the crusades against the 'infidel'.... hardly a Christian act, yet there is more than a passing similarity between the situations then and now.

 

I asked a straightforward question based upon a Christian tenet, which I notice you avoided answering, presumably because you daren't for fear of delivering further proof of your lack of Christian principle.

 

I respecfully make a suggestion to you KB - try to avoid comment about things you cannot consistently argue from a moral or intellectual standpoint. To do so makes you a laughing-stock and we don't want to see that. It isn't very Christian, so I'm sure you'll understand - just as you possibly understand I was returning your patronising tenor in the hope you'll get the message.

[mr motorola]

feck me , last time i heard things like that i was stood up in court.

[Alan Stubbs]

Just been listening to a programme about business on the radio.

 

I wonder if the release of al_Megrahi has anything to do with the fact that Libya is the world's largest source of the vogue battery element for the moment, lithium.

 

Whatever the outcome, it is hilarious to see the tizzy the British government has got itself into because the Scots acted in accordance with their legal processes and the Scottish minister responsible carried it through and effected a foreign policy decision which is outwith their constitutional rights.

 

I bet that wasn't envisaged when the devolution bill was hurried through with indecent haste. And who was a significant advocate of setting up the Scottish parliament? ermmm, step forward .... Gordon Brown!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Alan Stubbs]

feck me , last time i heard things like that i was stood up in court.

 

 

For some of his posturing, I think KB should be!

 

Mr M, I can't deal with an emotional argument as they are invariably logically weak, emotive and taken to extremes allows the likes of Hitler, Idi Amin, Pinochet, the Argentinian generals and Kleinboet to get into power.

 

Dealing with straight fact - to which KB is a stranger if it gets in the way of his point of view, is so much easier in helping discussion on a rational rather than hysterical basis.

Edited August 23, 2009 by Alan Stubbs

[Guest Brumagem Phil]

Ah! the usual PC BS!! It does not matter whether he was guilty or not of actually blowing the plane up and killing over 200 people in cold blood or not - he is (and always will be) a TERRORIST!!!

 

Tell me KB, do you consider the pilots of the Enola Gay to be terrorists? How about the British pilots who firebombed Dresden and the other German cities?

 

I'm a liberal........and the reason i'm a liberal is because i'm sick to the back teeth of hypocrasy.

 

Bad things are usually planned by people who are never likely to be brought to book and purpotrated by people too stupid to know any better.

[Guest Brumagem Phil]

Ah! the usual PC BS!! It does not matter whether he was guilty or not of actually blowing the plane up and killing over 200 people in cold blood or not - he is (and always will be) a TERRORIST!!!

 

Tell me KB, do you consider the pilots of the Enola Gay to be terrorists? How about the British pilots who firebombed Dresden and the other German cities?

 

I'm a liberal........and the reason i'm a liberal is because i'm sick to the back teeth of hypocrasy.

 

Bad things are usually planned by people who are never likely to be brought to book and purpotrated by people too stupid to know any better.

 

By the way most of these people were Christians.