Countyside Alliance and FACT

[Peter Waller]

A web search on Dave Olley is revealing! Woof Woof!!

[Peter Waller]

But the badgers can be released Jim!

[chesters1]

surely that naughty farmer could be procecuted for seeting a wire that "could" trap a fluffy badger being their protected ,the poor old foxes round here share their holes with badgers theres so many brocks,and we have to leave our gate open so they dont wreck the place trying to get out at least the foxes jump the fence

[Jim Roper]

chesters1:

surely that naughty farmer could be procecuted for seeting a wire that "could" trap a fluffy badger being their protected

Ever wondered why so many dead badgers are seen on the roadside?

[chesters1]

i thought it strange they were ALL car blind

[Dave Lumb]

Peter Waller:

A web search on Dave Olley is revealing! Woof Woof!!

"Dave Olley, once big time dancer and record bar assistant"

[Paul Boote]

Viz-a-viz not much at all. But those who can read, then THINK, then complete, might make summat of it...

 

Stuff I shoved into a "2005 Angling and Modern British History" file o' mine, just the other day (in no particular order):

 

 

On the day of the last Waterloo Cup (hare-coursing)and much local fractiousness:

 

 

14/2/05 STF, late, posted on Sea Trout Fishing Forums (STF): “Joan Smith is away...” (mailed, afterwards, to all)

 

 

When the cat's...

 

Which reminds me...

 

Must have my boot(e)s r(e)soled tomorrow...

 

Can't, for the life of me, though, remember the generic name of the skilled traditional artisan who will do it for me...

 

Ah! Got it!

 

Cobblers.

 

 

The Independent, 13 February 2005

 

Christopher Hudson: Time to cry foul over fish

 

I know that, in writing about field sports, a claim to neutrality is so rare as to demand credentials, so here are mine. I don't hunt. I don't fish. I am neither vegetarian nor an animal activist. If I have an axe to grind, it is in the belief that government should not legislate against traditional liberties.

 

But this is what the Government has done, and it is confident that having banned hunting with hounds - as from Saturday - it can leave it at that. The legislation has effortlessly sailed through the Commons, by-passing the constitutional obstacles of the Parliament Act. Many hunts will soon be killing or selling off their hounds, and it may be that within a year - a year marked by skirmishes between huntsmen and the police - the game will be up.

 

There is optimistic talk of fox-hunting by accident, in which a group of idly trotting riders are out exercising hounds when all of a sudden a scent is raised, the hounds take off and the anxious riders are impelled to gallop after them in case they come to harm. Then there are going to be trail-hunts, in which a dead fox is dragged through woods, ditches and coverts in the hope that the hounds will catch sight of a live fox and chase after the real thing.

 

These ploys will sooner or later fall foul of tightened legislation by this government of lawyers, which creates a new crime every three days. I suspect that the legal challenges of the pro-hunt campaigners seeking judicial review on constitutional and human rights grounds will be given short shrift. Even if the human rights appeal succeeds in the Lords and in Strasbourg, the Government is under no obligation to repeal the law, since in these matters UK law supervenes.

 

Nevertheless, I have a modest proposal to make. It has been demonstrated that fish feel pain. Experiments carried out on rainbow trout, involving the injection of bee venom into their lips, showed that the fish have pain receptors which make them react like mammals. This supports the findings of the RSPCA that "current practices in angling do involve the infliction of pain and suffering on fish".

 

This was always the criterion that counted. In the 18th century Jeremy Bentham observed the question to be asked about animals was neither "Can they reason?", nor "Can they talk?", but "Can they suffer?" Anglers have ducked the cruelty issue by arguing that the brains of fish are too primitive for self-awareness. But this, too, seems to be a delusion. Four months ago the Royal Society reported that tests on fish in aquaria at Oxford University show they possess cognitive abilities which outstrip those of some small mammals.

 

What difference is there between foxes and fish? None in law, only the difference which ministers won't admit: that Labour backbenchers would fight as fiercely to protect the working-class killing of fish as they fought to ban the upper-middle-class killing of foxes. The symmetry is underlined by the two tests that No 10 wanted to apply to hunting: that it could be licensed only if it served a useful purpose and was carried out in a way to cause least suffering.

 

Angling is a pastime, not a necessity. As for cruelty, the practice of livebaiting, in which anglers impale fish on double or treble hooks through their lips and body in order to catch predatory fish - letting them struggle in agony until they are eaten by another fish or left to die of their injuries - is at least as nasty as what happens to foxes.

 

Those tests of "utility" and "cruelty" were rejected by Labour MPs precisely because they would have applied in equal measure to angling - and there are three million coarse, game and sea anglers in Britain. So here's my proposal. If a human rights appeal succeeds, pro-hunt campaigners should then join with the RSPCA in mounting a legal challenge against angling, on the grounds that in all respects it matches the criteria used to ban hunting. Faced with banning three million anglers, the Government might suddenly discover that, after all, hunting constituted an infringement of human liberties.

 

Christopher Hudson is writing a book on white hunters. Joan Smith is away

 

 

-- then, shortly afterwards, in a similar thread, on AnglingMagic Forums:

 

NEVER underestimate the spiteful mindset of a certain sort, and its response to those ("detestable oiks" - aka "us" - you and me) who let them (aka "us" - meaning decent, hard-working, but naturally, on occasion, fun-loving, leisured, ra-ra sorts like...") down in their (that is, OUR) hour of need...

 

Got it?

 

Payback time, clearly, now, from some of those who desperately needed us for a time, but who never cared a fig (the latter, a polite, non-modern rendering). Takes one to know one, having gone to school with the boogers, but walking away from them for good (like that Head Boy black lad in TV's recent 'Rotters Club'), 35 seconds after the last exam...

 

http://seatroutfishing.proboards34.com/ind...&num=1108421613

 

[ 21. February 2005, 10:37 PM: Message edited by: Paul Boote ]

[Sportsman]

Er sorry Peter, wrong Dave Olley. The only thing I have to do with dogs is having two pets. I live in Scotland, check his address.

BTW why would you want to do a web search on me, now I am getting paranoid

Regards

Dave Olley

[Paul Boote]

"BTW why would you want to do a web search on me, now I am getting paranoid

Regards

Dave Olley"

 

Perhaps with good reason, Dave.

 

ATB etc...

[trent.barbeler]

Dear All,

 

Blimey! I pop across to the Barbel Police headquarters for a few hours and look at the lot of you!?

 

Cracking posts "Sportsman" I especially like the ... "I am sorry, but I feel it to be grossly unfair to participate in a battle of wits with someone who is so obviously unarmed."

 

So hilariously apt.

 

"Diatribe"?? It means "violently bitter verbal attack” Also apt as its own epitaph?

 

Welcome Sportsman who ever you are or from where ever you've landed. I'm from the planet "Quite Barmy" myself where it rains thrup'ny bits and no ones ever heard of Paul Boote. Or me either but they are all mad as balloons anyway.

 

Pete Waller and me are old swashbucklers. Pirates of the net. Political Mutineers and Crows nest Criers. Big respect to me’ hearty says I.

 

He just happens to be wrong about foxhunting and the Countryside Alliance. He's also wrong if he thinks his socialist government are worth voting for again. But hey, he has to wake up every morning with his head on the pillow not me.

 

Got something from the European Anglers Alliance today. Apparently the loony league has announced they are going after shooting next. Well blow me underpants into the next county.

 

The RSPCA and IFAW however have both announced they are unequivocally against a campaign against shooting. This means the anti foxhunting forces are now split over forthcoming crackpot animal rights campaigns. It also pretty much demonstrates to me at least the RSPCA and IFAW membership are starting to take notice of public opinion that is deciding to stop supporting them? You can con the people some of the time?

 

PETA are at their old tricks again asking Alaska's Governor to make king salmon off limits to "cruel" anglers. PETA stated that the king salmon have clever minds and good memories. Needless to say the governor wasn't impressed and his spokeswoman basically told PETA to get lost.

 

I did like a comment that one Alaskan troller was quoted as saying;

 

"Juneau salmon troller Mark Stopha had a quick riposte.

 

"I only catch the stupid ones," Stopha said. "I wouldn't be able to catch the smart ones, anyway."

 

"I'm trying to weed out the gene pool," he added.

 

I seriously doubt that PETA found Mr Stopha's comment amusing. I laughed till my wig fell off in me dinner.

 

Countryside Alliance Ireland has launched a new ‘Angling Membership’ package, aimed at providing the Irish angler with a range of benefits, including very comprehensive angling insurance cover at an extremely competitive price. The insurance package includes;

Insurance cover for all types of angling and angling related activity world-wide.

Individual Public Liability worth £5m/€7m.

Personal Accident Cover.

Group Public Liability £5m/€7m.

Group Employers Liability £10m/€14m.

Available to anyone resident in any part of Ireland.

Property; PL to cover liability for injury or damage arising from property owned by the club.

Boats, boatmen and club bailiffs.

 

Boats? I've checked this out. And apparently they do the same package for coracles! Now there’s an organisation that’s really going places.

 

Regards,

 

Lee.