Lures on the Deck

[Emma two]

Say for instance , I am spinning for salmon & i do any UnNatural

move the fish will instantly stop following the lure

more so if it lies on the bottom

The fish is interested in the movement & vibration

not a lump of metal , plastic or wood lying on the river bed

 

 

How about a static few twists of chenille and marabu...or a few twists of pheasant tail? I have set my fly rod down in stillwaters several times to see the line run out and tighten into a fish. I dont think anyone is really suggesting static lures as 'good' but it does happen, and how do you know what the salmon following your lure behave like? you may see some of 'em, but unless you only fish small shallow gin clear streams on bright days (with polaroids on) the most of the fish who follow your lure you will never see.

Edited December 29, 2011 by Emma two

[cannibalspinners]

I am not pushing it as a good method and making any claims that it will improve your catches but I am curious if any one does it as the chap who does it catches well. He does not turn up cast in and leave the lure all day put wonders up and down the river working lures but will stop from time to time and leave the lure on the river bed while having a break and does get takes. As a kid I thought this was normal to fish lures in such a way. Once I got older and was taught how to fish the correct way I now find it odd.

 

But nothing wrong with not following perceived wisdom.

Your right

I never doubt anyones method

Hey if it works for you Great

I am not on here to preach or teach

remember NOBODY is right or wrong

We are all just discussing methods & tactics

I hope i never came over as disrespecting you

Sorry if it sounded that way

I will give your method a thought or 2

next time i cast my lures Mate

[Phone]

All,

 

Much if not all my carp fishing is done with "static" artifical bait. I guess you would call it "lure fishing" since it is not a natural food source (or even food). Often just a wooden bead.

 

One of my favorite carp fishing spots is under a bridge where birds roost above. With 15 lb line, and a piece of styrofoam cup you can cast a regular carp outfit like a flyrod. It just lays there static until a bird poops nearby. Then carp move in. Stupid carp. It's really fun antipication - you can almost predict when your "turn" will come.

 

Phone

[grumpybum]

Years ago fly fishing a gin clear lake I threw in a jersey herd which had been damaged. I could see it very clearly lying on the bottom. It suddenly disappeared and a brownie swam away.

[Steve Walker]

You will have many Blank sessions , If you fish a lure like that

i can assure you any wild river fish i take on any of my lures would NEVER touch them on the bottom

I have fished in FISH FARMS before stuffed with rainbows , who would eat anything But if my lure

made it to the river bed They would NEVER touch it in a Million years

the lure is all about movement , Vibration & flash

Sorry i just dont buy this method

Also what a boring way to fish

 

What I was getting at was that the pike would have its attention attracted by the moving (sinking) food but would sometimes then watch it motionless for some time before taking it - so I wonder if it is not the case that these fish are just picking up a static lure, but rather that they were already interested in it before it hit the bottom. We don't know how long they were looking at it before they took it.

 

Not suggesting it as a method, just looking to understand what is actually happening in the situation described.

[lutra]

Years ago fly fishing a gin clear lake I threw in a jersey herd which had been damaged. I could see it very clearly lying on the bottom. It suddenly disappeared and a brownie swam away.

Ive fished one or two trout fisheries where casting out a lure (fly) on a fast sink line and leaving it to sink to the bottom (ledgering) would catch you fish. On one small fishery where you could reach the fish pens and leave it to sink under them, it could catch you some big well mended trout at times (double figure, mint condition, fin perfect browns and rainbows) and even an odd nice perch.

 

Talk on the bank was that these fish had learnt to ignore anything that moved and just feed on what food was static on the bottom, of which there was plenty under the trout pegs (pellets). The last time i fished this busy small fishery i fished static under the pens and caught a very bonny 7lb brownie. I was told by the bailiff on the way off it was the first brownie he had seen for three years and they hadn't stocked any for four years.

[Dales]

What I was getting at was that the pike would have its attention attracted by the moving (sinking) food but would sometimes then watch it motionless for some time before taking it - so I wonder if it is not the case that these fish are just picking up a static lure, but rather that they were already interested in it before it hit the bottom. We don't know how long they were looking at it before they took it.

 

That does make sense.

[chesters1]

i used to fish a floating plug that was tethered to the bottom by about a foot of wire with a 1oz drilled bullet ,this caught fish occasionally when i was rolling a fag but a pike may have been following and decided it was a good time to get its dinner when the plug stopped?

the idea was the plug stayed about a foot off the deck when brought in slowly and the bullet followed the contours and made a bit of a cloud of mud when moving.

only can work on clean bottoms ofcourse but it did catch when ordinary lures failed in ultra clear water when the fish were shy ,thats the good thing about the old close season it gave people time to dream up such oddities

 

never caught anything on a stationary spinner but i have caught tiny roach by the score on non baited gold plated hooks moving or not

Edited December 30, 2011 by chesters1

[Steve Walker]

Some people fish buoyant flies on a short leader with a fast sinking line - sounds an awful lot like your plug trick.

 

The flies for this are called boobies - can you see why?

 

[Steve Burke]

I hooked a pike on a stationary lure (a spoon) just yesterday but it slipped the hook. I have caught pike before though on lures on the bottom but only on the odd occasion. I certainly wouldn't recommend it as a mainsteam method.

 

I suspect that fish take lures for 3 main reasons: food, curiosity, and aggression (especially territorial).

 

Yesterday I think it was probably one of the latter two. Several pike, not just this one, followed my spoon into the bank and then looked closely at it before "headbutting" it.

 

In the past I've left a lure (usually a soft plastic) on the bottom after a follow for anything up to a minute. On several occasions I've caught these pike by then giving the lure a sharp twitch. It doesn't work that often, but sufficiently so to give it a try.

 

If it doesn't I find that a change of lure is often productive, as is coming back later.