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i recently caught a chub in a local commercial and it got me thinking. should traditional river fish, such as chub and barbel, be put in stillwaters. or are they better of being left in the rivers.

ive heard tht in rivers chub are good fighters but this one just seemed to give in right away.

i dont know if is true of all stillwater chub or barbel, or was just this particular fish.

what do you guys know or think about it?

m Bi-winning" Charlie Sheen

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i recently caught a chub in a local commercial and it got me thinking. should traditional river fish, such as chub and barbel, be put in stillwaters. or are they better of being left in the rivers.

ive heard tht in rivers chub are good fighters but this one just seemed to give in right away.

i dont know if is true of all stillwater chub or barbel, or was just this particular fish.

what do you guys know or think about it?

 

 

This may sound a bit double standard but even though I can accept chub in still waters I have a problem with barbel :rolleyes: Why I dont really know but I think its best that we try to keep fishing as "real" as possible and leave fish in waters that they are natural (or have become natural) in.

 

Some say that river species will thrive in still water and others say not.I simply dont have the experience of catching still water barbel or chub to comment.

 

My main concern with keeping it real is that I hate the thought of angling being turned into something where you go to the same artificial pond,fish the same "standard" bait and method to catch the only species that are (artificially) in that pond.Takes away the diversity which to be a life long angler you need and above all angling's most important element-mystery.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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I remember seeing flyers for Browning Crudmore when I was on my way to the middle Severn once proclaiming 'We stock Barbel, why go the Severn?'

 

Having been to Browning Crudmore once during my club match fishing days, I could think of many reasons....

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This may sound a bit double standard but even though I can accept chub in still waters I have a problem with barbel :rolleyes:

 

ive heard a few others say that.

but why are people more bothered about barbel? are they more fragile or is it because they have thier own set of 'worshippers'.

im prepared to get a bit of stick for saying this but should the welfare of one fish really be above anothers. :headhurt:

m Bi-winning" Charlie Sheen

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paul,

 

Aside from "starting the process" of moving fish at all (once you start there becomes an obligation to the ecosystem in general) I'd say if the water is wet and the fish survive - - - why not?

 

Think of the "puddle" as a not very clean or well cared for aquarium.

 

I will say "restocking" fish to a native or naturalized home is perfectly OK with me. In fact, I am glad I pay part of my license fee for hatcheries. Even there, you have to be careful if you want to protect certain elements - say lenny stock or certain trout stock.

 

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Threads on Otters, Barbel in still waters can't say we dodge the thorny issues in angling on AN :D

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I've caught chub in still waters since I was a sprog and imo they fight just as well if not better than when in the river. People reckon they don't breed in still waters but I do know that they will in still waters with a small inlet and outlet. Although i've never caught a barbel in still waters I can't see a problem with it if that's what the owner wants. Lets face it barbel, chub, dace etc are all left in still waters after natural floods and thrive.

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ive heard a few others say that.

but why are people more bothered about barbel? are they more fragile or is it because they have thier own set of 'worshippers'.

im prepared to get a bit of stick for saying this but should the welfare of one fish really be above anothers. :headhurt:

 

I totally agree that all fish should be regarded as equal when it comes to their welfare. Same as Tigger Ive seen still waters where chub seem to thrive and breed successfully.I haven't like I said enough experience to be able to say the same (or not) about barbell.

 

I'm sure there are plenty of Barbel Worshippers out their who argue against just still water barbell for the reason you mention,in fact simply because its fashionable/cool/seemingly knowledgeable to do so! But I would like to think that many are like me and simply dont want to see our sport "watered down" anymore.

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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Paul,

 

I'll take the heat off of you. I thought barbel were simply stunted carp. It's just that you can catch carp without having to admit you carp fish - you barbel fish.

 

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it that your normal excuse phone :P

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