Anglers charged under Terrorism Laws

[Yakity - Yak - u.k.]

Sanctuary,

 

Have the clubs and associations actualy approached the people concerned with makeing the restictions.

Or just talked about it amoungst themselves.

Did they put forward a request to meet the people who imposed them.

Is that what you are saying, they did,.....and were ignored.

Re your jest....can you change the colour of the Yak please;)

 

 

YY

 

[ 13. November 2004, 07:20 PM: Message edited by: Yakity - Yak ]

[sanctuary]

Here is some back ground may adress some of your concerns may well increase them, you know what forums are like

http://www.nwasac.com/en/?s/Press_1

http://www.castandcatch.com/forum/viewtopi...?t=2261&start=0

[Yakity - Yak - u.k.]

Sanctuary,

 

Just had a look through some of the correspondence.

It is a great shame the fishrman have lost (for now ) total freedom to fish the docks.

But looking at it, I think the port authorities have been very forthright in thier handling of the issue.

They have tried to offer pre arranged trips to anglers, yes I know, not the ideal situation as far as the angler is concerned.

The security measures put in place have been enforced on the dock company via the government, so I dont think it fair to say its all down to the dock company wanting to stop fishing.

Even then they will be governed by the security levels that change all the time.

 

The development of the docks, is going to interfere with fishing too.

Im sure the fisherman must realise the position of the developer, who is entirely responseible for public safty when the development begins, he wont want ANYONE running around his building site, due to the health and safty implications, risk of injury etc.

Again they are saying that access will be allowed after the development is completed.

So this makes it even clearer, the men were caught out, they took the chance, and failed.

 

I think for the good of other fisherman, the local fishing association should inform them of the docks position in all of this.

Maybe through local paper or the like.

Anglers may then realise its not a vendetta agaist them via the dock company.

Perhaps then, they wouldnt feel hacked off and try going in the back gate, so to speak.

It does look as if there are others jumping on the back of these men to get there own beefs across to the media.

Thats just my oppinion.

 

YY

[kirkby john]

The ballad of Snooker and Davy.

 

Snooker and Davy were anglers

Scousers both born and bread

Their second most favourite pastime

Was swinging a six ounce lead

Now these two are grabbing the headlines

Their mug-shots on all the front pages

But the story isn’t just this weeks news

It’s a saga been running for ages.

 

 

Scousers fish in the Mersey

Since the time when God was a lad

If you wanted to take up sea fishing

You were taught down the docks by your dad.

Read on, patient reader

I’m sure all will be explained

The tale that’s filling this forum

And the freedom which must be regained.

 

News spread like wildfire

They’ve banned fishing down on the docks

No more expeditions to the Alex’

Or even to Seaforth rocks.

The Alex is scribed deep in folklore

Literary references without end

“Red sky at night, Birkenheads on fire”

The Alex is where this gem was penned.

 

Theres the scaffold, triangle, and chains

All landmarks on this stretch of wall.

Well known to all local anglers

We’ve fished and blanked at them all.

The bans wrong and they just can’t do it, all said

We have access granted by law.

To get to the banks of the Mersey

To fish, watch birds or explore.

 

What we need is to test the position

Of the sides so unevenly matched

Corporate arrogance against us anglers

And so a plan was hatched.

Two sound lads stepped forward

Volunteering to be the bait

We’ll go fishing and get arrested

Get them to court with a magistrate.

 

 

“Where do you fancy Davey “said Snooks.

The wall, I don’t like the rocks.

Theres rats as big as Alsations

Even seagulls there frogmarch in clogs

So a hackney was summoned and loaded

Drove casually through the dock gate.

With scarsely a glance from the copper

Let alone “ where are you going mate “

 

At the wall the lads readied for fishing

Set up and cast out their lines

The talk was of codling and whiting

Arrest and possible fines.

The hours passed by slowly

No fish, just the occasional bite

But the boredom soon changed to excitement

When a plod-mobile came in sight.

 

Ello, ello ello and what ‘ave we ear

Said the plod with the oversize hat

Fishin wivout permissin

We simply just can’t have that.

 

I’ll ave to arrest you, the boss said

Something about 9-11

You can’t fish or whistle or preach here

This isn’t an anglers heaven.

Just turn to the left said snooker

I want to get your best side.

So when we play this recording in court.

You’ll easily be identified.

 

On the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month

We left the magistrates court

Amazed and angered and a little amused

At the law on which this case was brought.

Far from terrorist actions

Which we all must fight to abate

The lads were charged under an archaic law

Written in eighteen hundred and forty eight.

 

So we’re back on the 9th of December

Ding ding round two here we go

We don’t know whats going to happen

But be sure I’ll let you know.

 

These two anglers were not charged with anything concerning terrorism but under a bye-law dating from 1858. The same bye-law also bans Preaching, Holding meetings, Reading out loud, Singing and dancing, Playing a musical instrument, Addressing a crowd, Drawing or painting, and Taking a photograph. This information courtesy of the Liverpool Echo.

[spasor]

If all sea anglers were to have a fishing license?

Then wouldn`t the `Government` have to protect our rights, from arbitary decisions, from whatever body?

Not a proposal. Just a thought.

The National Trust, which in conjunction with other bodies. Is one of anglers biggest enemies. Yet it`s supposed to be a charity. Even though most of its property was bequeathed in exchange for rich benefactors death duties to the exchequer!!

We now have Port Authorities telling us we can`t use their facillities. Whilst the smugglers use their ports with very little hassle! If the security is so good on the Mersey. How comes they stop anglers going in, but let complete stolen container loads get out?

How about a few `Mass fish ins`? Loads of documented groups of 10 anglers turning up at the gates. The Port Authority being given prior warning. Plus the local press of course.

[sanctuary]

I think I've had a bit to much amber necter every things begining to rhyme even sparsor posting

[Peter Waller]

All harbour authorities have recently had to conduct a safety assessment for their waters, the Norfolk Broads included. It is a statutory requirement.

 

Up on the Broads we have had to sit down and thrash out problems with the local authority. My guess, and it is only a guess, is that the 'authorities' are looking for existing byelaws, even old ones, to help them overcome some of the risks.

 

I have this gut feeling that if not a hidden agenda, there is a personal agenda just beneath the surface on this one.

 

My advice, for what it is worth, is to form a 'harbour users association', consult and work together and then go to the authorities as a representative group. The association could be formed by any interested groups who use the harbour.

 

Cassy, I'm a solitary sod when it comes to fishing! Boat fishing out at sea will always be two to four of us but when fishing on shore I prefer my own solitary company. Mind you, I do enjoy teaching my grandkids the ropes!

 

[ 13. November 2004, 10:39 PM: Message edited by: Peter Waller ]

[spasor]

Sanctuary.

Where have you been all my life! Kiss Kiss.

Paul.

[sanctuary]

I give in you win I'm going fishing at the docks and I'll end up in a nice quiet cell with no internet.

[Guest jay_con]

Poems now. What the feck next. Ive been out for 2 hrs to get some worms and your well into a 5th page.