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[Ken Davison South Wales]

Just to reply to you comments they catch 500 tons of fish because they can, and have the quota to do it by either alloction from producer organisation or the purchase for quota at considerable cost. nothing illegal about the type of fishing Taits do.These type of boat with fish for 2 weeks at herring and maybe only 4 weeks at mackerel Then the fishing boat lies in harbour untill new quota is allocated.

 

Goverment is trying to protect cod and find out whats being landed commercialyand by charter vessels this is surely only correct. As for rethinking thats just what this goverment has being doing on fisheries for many years.Looking around angling sites I see vasts amounts of fish at Whitby landed by anglers for only 4 hours fishing.

regards

 

Your quite correct about Whitby and I saw this coming several months ago.

 

But bottom line the Altair cheated the system and were caught, can you honestly state that they are the only ones doing it?

[barry luxton]

I still think we need to know the amount of fish landed needs to be recorded.That includes all charter vessels that ilegally sell cod without being registered fishing vessels. Looking through the web i see charter vessels with boxes of cod and I was not aware that you could not keep what you catch.Are these vessels although not registered alowed to sell the fish anglers catch?

 

 

regards

 

Hi Clicker,

 

Of course they cannot legally sell that fish, shame on them if they do, they deserve the full weight of the law.

 

Would you say record all fish that is landed by charter, if so the only real cod fishing showing for the rsa at present appears to be the north sea. If so compared with the rest of the uk, this is only a tiny amount of the total fish caught.

[wurzel]

I see vasts amounts of fish at Whitby landed by anglers for only 4 hours fishing.

regards

 

 

How vast compared to the average day on Peter Head market?

 

Do I sense a wined up here?

Or are you just bitter because anglers can land more than you can legally.

 

My quota equates to about 12 fish a month, now to stay with in the law I have to throw good quality cod, often fish of 10 to 15 LB over the side, at a time when there are more and more cod showing on the grounds. I also see anglers coming a shore with treble my monthly quota for a days sport.

It's not the anglers I'm mad at but the Dick Heads in London for swapping my cod quota for whightings to be used as by catches in a prawn fishery 300 miles away and putting me on such a unrealistic and unnecessary quota.

 

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but they still need to be protected and if that means zero catches so be it .

 

Please explain how this is possible? do you mean zero catches or zero landings?

[glennk]

Hi Ken - Like I said all is not as clear as it should be,

 

I find the culture in here somewhat strange

 

Lets all slag off Charter anglers at Whitby - Why ?. In a recent trawl of the internet I find similar reports for anglers fishing from all the north east ports.

 

Hartlepool for example :

 

Two monster cod have been taken within the last couple of days with the biggest one - weighing in at 35lb - taken by Neil Smith aboard the Lady Elsie out of Hartlepool.

 

Neil also took cod of 21lb, and three at 15lb, in a catch of 100 fish which included no less than 20 over 10lb, 12 over 15lb and six over 20lb.

 

Why do these posts end up being about Whitby ?

 

Maybe people with axes to grind are still grinding them. Its as clear as the nose in the middle of your face.

[ColinW]

Thanks Wurzel, interesting stuff. I am still not completely convinced that what they are talking about there is a "stock collapse" in the modern sense of the word. I think when they talk about the "declining fishery" they mean that there was so much competition that the boats of one country or another just couldn't catch anything like what they caught when they had the place to themselves. I think this is understandable in a handline fishery because the boats could pretty much fish as close to each other as they liked, so if a skipper saw a concentration of schooners and dories grouped together it would be fairly obvious where the fish were and he would join in, which presumably reduced the chances of those already there. Either way it is interesting that they were blaming other fishermen, not environmental changes etc

[barry luxton]

My quota equates to about 12 fish a month, now to stay with in the law I have to throw good quality cod, often fish of 10 to 15 LB over the side,

 

Hi Wurzel, as i understand it you are a netter, you don't trawl. When you have to discard cod like the above are they inveriably dead?

Edited June 23, 2007 by barry luxton

[ColinW]

Getting back to the "Trawlermen" subject. I don't know if this has been put up before but Jimmy Buchan (skipper of Amity II) has a blog which is quite interesting

 

http://www.seafish.org/sea/blog.asp

 

PS. To find out technical details of how they rig the gear etc. you have to look back at the archives, obviously he's not going to want to keep repeating the same stuff!

[barry luxton]

Other small observation:

Canned mackerel are always without head and tail, as is smoked or peppered.

 

Hi Ken, regarding your Small observation on (TRAWLERMEN) have to say that to keep on topic, If they only top and tail them to get them to fit into a normal size can, these mackerel would be under the mls surley?

Edited June 23, 2007 by barry luxton

[wurzel]

Hi Wurzel, as i understand it you are a netter, you don't trawl. When you have to discard cod like the above are they inveriably dead?

 

 

Inveriably. or soon are when the gulls peck thier livers out.

[steve good]

Hi All

 

Interesting thread, wish I could say the same about your comments.

 

The mackerel vessel caught 500 tons and made £300,000 for a £12,000,000 investment. People do not invest that sought of money unless there is a future in that fishery. The mackerel fishery is well managed and sustainable thats why they caught 500 tons in one tow, and yet you all condemed them for doing so. I would point out that there were no unsize fish caught and no DISCARDS whatsoever. your comments do not do justice or show understanding of this fishery.

 

regards steve