New Scottish sea angling conservation group

[glennk]

like the english versions i hope you only speak on behalf of your members and not give the impression your speaking for every sea angler

 

 

Exactly.

 

Organisations should have a number after them so that those interested and those they speak too on behalf of their members can see the number of people behind that organisation.

[nick]

Hmmm, Whats with the curt replies....do I sense some bad blood here ????, when , on the other forum, a poster asked a very similar question, you posted a large reply..

 

Cheers Norrie

 

I'm glad that someone else out there thought the reply was a wee bit out of order.

 

Was just trying to get some clarification before deciding whether or not to join and contribute some hard earned dosh. Needless to say the decision is now made

[Chris Goddard]

How to win friends and INFLUENCE people. Here endeth the first lesson!!

[captain cojones]

Off to a good start then!

[Norrie]

Cheers Norrie

 

I'm glad that someone else out there thought the reply was a wee bit out of order.

 

Was just trying to get some clarification before deciding whether or not to join and contribute some hard earned dosh. Needless to say the decision is now made

 

What gets me is, that the SSCAN wants to represent ME!!! ( which I DO appreciate ) to the powers that be....if they cant be civil to a simple query, what chance have we got with meetings with the guys in power....

 

As the reply said...

 

 

"The first post states quite clearly this is an independent organisation

and is answerable only to our own membership"

 

Sorry, but I wont be in the membership of this one !!! Not with an attitude like that !!!

[spasor]

Some of us have more important things in our lives than sitting at the computer waiting to answer your comments.

 

The first post states quite clearly this is an independent organisation

and is answerable only to our own membership

If that`s the case. I suggest you stick to your own website!!

[SSACN]

Hmmm, Whats with the curt replies....do I sense some bad blood here ????, when , on the other forum, a poster asked a very similar question, you posted a large reply..

Quote:

Originally Posted by wibblywobbly View Post

Is this just another organisation that anglers are to expected to contribute towards.The scottish federation of sea anglers remit is to safeguard the sport of sea angling in scotland and to fight for and protect their interests.Does this not mean that they should be doing all they can to conserve the fish stocks so that anglers have something to fish for,if so then why should i pay twice for the same thing, being a sfsa member.The sfsa is the only recognised body so surely we should be keeping it all under the one banner ,the last thing we need is another organisation being formed.

Technically this is a new organisation but should be looked at as the amalgamation of three.

 

There will actually be two less organisations operating in Scotland

 

We will be far more efficient and better organised than we ever could be under three different banners. We even have a website www.ssacn.org

 

We announced the plans for a single organisation at a meeting with Scottish exec fisheries officers two weeks ago. Further communications between us indicate we are firmly recognised and have another meeting with them in a few months time.

 

In attendance for SSACN was Ian Burrett, (SOS) Denus Kelly (SACN) and Steve Bastiman from the SFSA.

 

At the meeting Ian Burrett gave a lengthy talk about the need for an immediate shark management plan to protect the Spurs, common skate, on the West coast of Scotland. tope on the SW coast and Porbeagle in the North.

 

We were surprised at how little the executive knew; for example they weren't aware of the Glasgow Museum Skate tagging programme and were surprised to hear how little the skate moved around. They had considered them migratory fish. They were also unaware Defra had issued Eu ruling in the North Sea to implement laws to conserve the Thornback Rays,

 

We also offered our services to run a combined SEERAD/SSACN tagging programme for the Spurs.

 

All the above points were received with great interest and we have been promised a follow up letter once the officers concerned return from holiday.

 

Steve then put forward our case for inclusion on the new Inshore fishery groups. These will be similar to the English sea fishing committees where local issues are decided by local people. The exec under Mr Finnie was adamant this was for commercials only but we have been lobbying hard for RSA inclusion. The decision should be announced at the next meeting.

 

Unless you opted to pay the £3 ring-fenced for conservation with the federation then you aren't paying twice. Those that did pay the £3 will be offered three months free subscription to SSACN on request.

 

For too long in Scotland ,individuals have been battling away on their own but we now have a willing team ready to take on the challenges.

 

The more anglers join us and get involved the more we we can accomplish. End Quote..

 

but when Nick asks a perfectly sensible question its ignored.....I was actually going to ask the same question, and thank god I didnt.

 

Nick is a very good friend of mine, and I am NOT "sticking up " for him, he can do that himself...AND, I have NOT been in contact with him about this , BUT, I would have posted this, had it been anyone asking ....

 

Now, I dont want to get involved in any arguments you may or may not have...but it certainly doesnt endear your organisation to my heart..... IMHO the tone of your eventual reply was totally uncalled for....

 

Rant over now..:)

 

Hi Norrie

 

The post was not meant to sound so aggressive and I apologise for that. Nick asked a reasonable question at 06:54 PM. Three hours later at 09:53 PM. he was having a dig at the organisation for not responding immediately to his question.

 

 

"well it looks as though the communication strategy is about par for the course..."

 

I had just posted a long reply between phone calls from my customers and writing a letter to Defra about the recent Porgie killings, to a question on another forum at 9.44 when this appeared on the other forum

"well as you have chosen not to answer this on another forum I'll ask it here."

 

In my opinion both these comments, were unnecessary given just three hours to respond.

 

I hadn't chosen not to answer Nick's original question I just hadn't had time to look at the AN posts.

 

I had been busy since 8 O'clock in the morning and hadn't even had a chance to sit down with the family, so Nick's sarcastic comments did annoy me,

 

I could have worded my response better and again I apologise if I caused offence

 

As you know I am not known for my tact and diplomacy.

 

Ian Burrett

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The point I was making was that

[glennk]

I thought you lot were all friends. What's happened ?

[nick]

The bit I just do not understand is how the new body can be "independent" and then claim that one of it's constituent bodies is a part of the SFSA. How can part of the SFSA leave the SFSA and create a new body?

 

What happens to the SFSA commitment to conservation - is that thrown out of the window?

 

I'm sorry Ian, but I just cannot see how this works at all.

[barry luxton]

Very good luck for the future you guys and i hope you acheive what have obviously taken a lot of time and trouble setting up. Look forward to your future successfull results.