Who is the head?

[captain cojones]

i was too young to have voted on entry, but i would have done.

as for a vote on acceptance of the the reform treaty, i would vote yes to that as well.no problem.

[Guest Shots for fun]

The Common Market that we voted on and accepted by a small majority, i believe had four fundamental freedoms.

 

The free movement of goods;

The free movement of services and freedom of establishment;

The free movement of persons (and citizenship), including free movement of workers;

The free movement of capital.

 

It was what it said on the box "A Common Market" cutting out and through all the bureaucratic paperwork that existed at the time.

If only we had known what it would develop into the vote would have been a landslide NO.

 

That if only is the reason why we should have a referendum now on the current legislation, most other member Countries are going to consult their people why not the UK?

[Lid]

The Common Market that we voted on and accepted by a small majority, i believe had four fundamental freedoms.

 

The free movement of goods;

The free movement of services and freedom of establishment;

The free movement of persons (and citizenship), including free movement of workers;

The free movement of capital.

 

It was what it said on the box "A Common Market" cutting out and through all the bureaucratic paperwork that existed at the time.

If only we had known what it would develop into the vote would have been a landslide NO.

 

That if only is the reason why we should have a referendum now on the current legislation, most other member Countries are going to consult their people why not the UK?

 

Those for principles are absolutely fine. Most of what has happened since was an extension to these things, and completely unexpected by the ordinary citizens. There was no need to take it much further. For one thing the European nations are far too different and not ready to be run a a single giant state.

 

BTW most conservatives voters voted Yes in that referendum, because that was the party directive.

Edited November 6, 2007 by Lid

[barry luxton]

The common market has evolved as a headless, faceless beurocratic bottom less money pit, that is eating away at our feedoms. Our fish stocks will never be safe in their clutches as time has demonstrated. Their claws are out to get as much money out of the uk for nil return, can some one tell us the benifits. Can someone please tell me what is paid in from France Spain Germany each year out of interest.

Edited November 6, 2007 by barry luxton

[Guest Shots for fun]

This is the budget table for 2006.

 

Shown here are the net contributions against expenditure the minus differences going to other countries.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Unio..._state_analysis

[Newt]

Interesting data Shots.

 

If I read that page correctly (comparing amount paid in to the EU against amount paid back by the EU), next to Germany who get back only about 54% of what they put in, the UK is in second place getting back about 59%.

 

Nice to be so generous to the 'have not' members though, isn't it? Must give you a warm glow.

[chesters1]

rather on who pays what is there statistics for who gets it back in subsidies or other aid ,theres huge handouts to people producing things we dont want and set aside when surely more should be given to those that grow things we need.

i read of farms that dont need to produce anything and get more in hand outs than if they did and sold it!

the subsidies should be abolished and then farms would fold or diversify instead its pointless having thousands of acres doing nothing.

 

state funding of private companies should also cease i heard the equivilent of half the NHS budged has been squandered on northern rock and the trains busses and most of the ex state run companies still are propped up by the government :angry: if they cant survive without it re-nationalise it were spending money on it anyway

 

as for propping up the less well off tough none of those buggers propped us up even germany stopped rationing after the war before we did we (GB) dragged ourselves back up through brains and innovation all those ex russian states produce nothing more valuable than turnips! let them rot.

if their happy with having an invader boss them about then they deserve all they get

Edited November 6, 2007 by chesters1

[Guest Shots for fun]

Interesting data Shots.

 

If I read that page correctly (comparing amount paid in to the EU against amount paid back by the EU), next to Germany who get back only about 54% of what they put in, the UK is in second place getting back about 59%.

 

Nice to be so generous to the 'have not' members though, isn't it? Must give you a warm glow.

 

That's quite correct Newt, however, not sure about that warm feeling.

Edited November 6, 2007 by Shots for fun

[chesters1]

thank goodness for maggie otherwise we'd be putting more in to that shower of crooks ,trouble is it's dropping all the time

[RobStubbs]

Yes we did join in Common Market and at that time we did have a referendum, which was a marginal yes vote, however what we join then is a million miles away from what we have now and not once have the British electorate been consulted regarding the giving away of our rights.

 

Now is the time for a referendum.

 

Brown will not allow one because he knows full well that it would be a very big NO.

 

The British have been consulted, it's called a vote. I'm not saying that I wouldn't like to asked on this and loads more topics, but the truth of the matter is that "we" vote in the poliiticians to speak on our behalf....

 

Rob.