E U. Should we stay or should we leave.

[barry luxton]

big_cod, on 01 Sept 2017 - 03:48, said:

There must be a hell of a lot stupid people in this country hugh let's look at the state of our manufacturing in this country as history tells you looking back over the years it was during successful Torys govements that the manufacturing base here in Britain was destroyed..

 

So what do we do we buy from abroad and that goes for probably 80% of the goods we purchase cheap products from China are everywhere you look and I suppose when you look how in the last 7 years under this government people's disposable income have crashed it's a good job we can buy from abroad or otherwise we would in the **** people have no choice but to purchase these cheap products or they couldn't afford to live it's the people who are awash with cash who ain't bothered about the pound crashing but poor joe Blogsy who scrimps and saves to have a family holiday is not happy I can tell you that and brexit is causing real hardship for some and for how long people will take it is another matter the last election told you that the cracks are beginning to show big style with brexit it is now and will continue to be a financial disaster for Britain for decades and in the mean time !!!!

 

State of manufacturing as of this year, yet more info for you to ignore and counter with no credibility:

 

“The weaker pound is driving export optimism for the year ahead but is having a detrimental impact on costs for firms and ultimately for consumers.”

Official figures due out on Thursday are likely to show that the economy continued to shrug off the impact of the EU referendum result during the final three months of 2016.

Although the chancellor, Philip Hammond, warned in Davos last week that rising inflation would mean slower growth in 2017, the CBI industrial trends survey found that manufacturers are becoming more optimistic about business conditions and the prospects for exports.

The poll of 461 manufacturers found that domestic orders rose at their fastest pace since mid-2014 in the three months to January 2017 and companies are confident of a rise in UK and overseas orders in the next three months.

[barry luxton]

big_cod, on 01 Sept 2017 - 03:48, said:

There must be a hell of a lot stupid people in this country hugh let's look at the state of our manufacturing in this country as history tells you looking back over the years it was during successful Torys govements that the manufacturing base here in Britain was destroyed..

 

 

 

And by who I have to ask, here you go yet again b c more text for you to ignore, repeated from page 101, just for you.

 

very many jobs have been created within the e u, enjoy: Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.

Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.

Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant ...in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.

Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.

British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.

Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.

Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.

M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.

Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.

Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.

Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.

Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.

Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.

Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.

ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs

Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.

JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.

UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.

Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.

Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.

The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.

Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.

39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU

The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

 

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

 

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.

I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

 

Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,

1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.

2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.

3/ You don't think it matters

Original source Adam Evans ( via Facebook )

 

[Sportsman]

Strange, I thought it was the remainers who were supposed to be the ones who complain and moan.

 

Now we have:

 

They are stealing our industry

They are taking our jobs

They are enticing the banks and financial sector to move

They are being nasty to us

They are punishing us for leaving

They are ganging up on us

They are insisting the negotiations take place properly

IT'S NOT FAIR

 

MAN UP AND GET ON WITH IT.

[chesters1]

No not dragging the bottom Chesters this man runs a very successfully multimillion pound buisness he probably ain't racist and he is most defernetly not stupid he ain't dreaming of this fantasy that some people think brexit will bring he is looking at the facts and the fact that May and Davis are making a complete hash of it .

"The anti-EU campaign will have the full force of Murdoch's and the other 4 extremist right-wing media billionaires papers whose agenda is to destroy all our human rights.

As wrote in The Prostitute State, over 80% of UK papers are owned by five extremist right wing media billionaires: Rupert Murdoch, (Sun/Times), Barclay Brothers (Telegraph), Richard Desmond (Express) and Lord Rothermere (Daily Mail).

Murdoch is Australian living in New York, Rothermere lives in France, the Barclay Brothers in the tax havens of Monaco and Guernsey. All of them use tax haven entities to AVOID PAYING UK taxes.

So key question is in light of the above list, why have these billionaires for decades tried to destroy the EU's democratic institutions?"

 

Two faced cod first they are devils and when you need some link to back up your ramblings they are saints

 

If you say murdoch ,all of the ex fleet street newspapers are right wing fit for toilet paper gutter press then you cannot use them to back up anything you say ,your posting in your words lies and bias so under your own criteria ...crap

Edited September 1, 2017 by chesters1

[Steve Burke]

I'm surprised this topic is still going. All the arguments are likely to be pointless in the long run.

 

The younger generation voted overwhelmingly against going it alone. As my generation dies off it's probably only a matter of time before the youngsters vote us back in!

[chesters1]

Hopefully in between some law will be passed only those over 50 can vote so by 50 the voter will hopefully be able to see polititions will say or do anything to get power

Take several pinches of salt at anything in the media and look at history before ticking the box

 

If they dont i can assure you sitting in hell with all the interesting people my ghostly voice "told you so " or "that will teach you" will reach their ears in the dead of night

Edited September 1, 2017 by chesters1

[big_cod]

I'm surprised this topic is still going. All the arguments are likely to be pointless in the long run.

 

The younger generation voted overwhelmingly against going it alone. As my generation dies off it's probably only a matter of time before the youngsters vote us back in!

 

That is probably 100% correct they haven't forgive the crinkles for voting brexit as the blue rinse die off a massive change will hit this country .

[barry luxton]

Steve Burke, on 01 Sept 2017 - 09:14, said:

I'm surprised this topic is still going. All the arguments are likely to be pointless in the long run.

 

The younger generation voted overwhelmingly against going it alone. As my generation dies off it's probably only a matter of time before the youngsters vote us back in!

 

 

my boy voted out, he doesn't require suckling the e u's political tit to survive

[Huge_Vitae]

There must be a hell of a lot stupid people in this country hugh let's look at the state of our manufacturing in this country as history tells you looking back over the years it was during successful Torys govements that the manufacturing base here in Britain was destroyed..

"It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them." Pierre Beaumarchais.

 

Clod, Once again you demonstrate your uncanny ability to argue with yourself to the point where you lose without any input from others.

 

I was minded to remind you that the Tory Govt. you dislike so apparently have not been the sole administration in this Country over recent history, and no I do not support them nor the other lot as the majority of them continue to feather their own nests and improve their own holdings with wanton disrespect for the majority, but I would be interested in having an example of any Company, firm, employer or whatever in the private sector that the SUCCESSFUL Tory Govt have destroyed or closed down, I should add successful firm to that but as the word has a differing meaning between us, that would make it far more difficult to comprehend. I should also add 'legal' to that in fear of you finding some brothel somewhere shut down by vice. Anyway, moving away from your blinkered view that single simple reasons are solely responsible for complex economic performance.

 

So what do we do we buy from abroad and that goes for probably 80% of the goods we purchase cheap products from China are everywhere you look....

Is there a question there? or are you making a point in support of your disagreement with my post that I am not getting?

 

You seem to have a problem with goods imported from China and yet no problem with goods imported from other places, and yet all imports, where they can be produced in this Country effect our economy not the least of which is in the size of our workforce.

 

Brushing aside the fact that one moment you are berating Chinese goods and the next moment implying they are the reason how 'Joe public' gets by in his day to day life, let us instead go back on track to the point you made.

 

Now follow this, IF your problem is with cheap goods from China causing a problem because previously the Tories have decided to move a successful business to China for no reason but to shaft Joe Public then the falling sterling rate will increase the cost of those goods, and whilst it will not carry on long term, should it do then eventually the cost to produce the goods in this Country will mean the return of the manufacturing that, according to you, the Tories got rid of!

 

I cannot really respond to the remaining part of your post as it contains nothing factual to warrant response.

[big_cod]

"It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them." Pierre Beaumarchais.

 

Clod, Once again you demonstrate your uncanny ability to argue with yourself to the point where you lose without any input from others.

 

I was minded to remind you that the Tory Govt. you dislike so apparently have not been the sole administration in this Country over recent history, and no I do not support them nor the other lot as the majority of them continue to feather their own nests and improve their own holdings with wanton disrespect for the majority, but I would be interested in having an example of any Company, firm, employer or whatever in the private sector that the SUCCESSFUL Tory Govt have destroyed or closed down, I should add successful firm to that but as the word has a differing meaning between us, that would make it far more difficult to comprehend. I should also add 'legal' to that in fear of you finding some brothel somewhere shut down by vice. Anyway, moving away from your blinkered view that single simple reasons are solely responsible for complex economic performance.

 

 

Is there a question there? or are you making a point in support of your disagreement with my post that I am not getting?

 

You seem to have a problem with goods imported from China and yet no problem with goods imported from other places, and yet all imports, where they can be produced in this Country effect our economy not the least of which is in the size of our workforce.

 

Brushing aside the fact that one moment you are berating Chinese goods and the next moment implying they are the reason how 'Joe public' gets by in his day to day life, let us instead go back on track to the point you made.

 

Now follow this, IF your problem is with cheap goods from China causing a problem because previously the Tories have decided to move a successful business to China for no reason but to shaft Joe Public then the falling sterling rate will increase the cost of those goods, and whilst it will not carry on long term, should it do then eventually the cost to produce the goods in this Country will mean the return of the manufacturing that, according to you, the Tories got rid of!

 

I cannot really respond to the remaining part of your post as it contains nothing factual to warrant response.

And where did I say cheap goods from China was a problem !!!!