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I understand if i say anything i am expected to back it up why doesnt "science" need to do the same ,what part of proof dont you understand?

Or are scientists so far above proof isnt needed to back up what they spout? ,the slack jawed throng hang on their every word whatever nonsense they spout

BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SCIENCE.

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It does seem too much to comprehend, what is out there beyond what us little earthlings can see.   We think we have a bit of understanding about the vast "universe" that surrounds us, but does it go

I have better things to do Ken ,i will leave space for spaceists sitting slack jawed and hand down trousers whenever some unproven opinion of the day pops upWhen a black hole comes up my path and dema

A simple "no" would have sufficed.

No its extremely close to religion where nonsense has been spouted but excuses made instead of proof of what they say is true

 

Science moves in mysterious ways when the hard questions need an answer

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Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies!

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

Life insurance? you wont enjoy a penny!

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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No its extremely close to religion where nonsense has been spouted but excuses made instead of proof of what they say is true

 

Science moves in mysterious ways when the hard questions need an answer

LOL.

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Cory,

 

I know of NO discipline that consistently passes the sniff test.

 

Ken,

 

By what philosophical standard do you consider any of the "science" in post $43 "better"?

 

I'm for the most part with Chesters1. How can the unknown be known in advance?

 

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Cory,

 

I know of NO discipline that consistently passes the sniff test.

 

Ken,

 

By what philosophical standard do you consider any of the "science" in post $43 "better"?

 

I'm for the most part with Chesters1. How can the unknown be known in advance?

 

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Ask a priest, they are the experts in that field.

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The problem isn't what people don't know, it's what they know that just ain't so.
Vaut mieux ne rien dire et passer pour un con que de parler et prouver que t'en est un!
Mi, ch’fais toudis à m’mote

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Cory, Ken,

 

For years I’ve been perplexed by people who tell me “if you don’t trust science you’re an idiot” – or – Religion is just for people who don’t know the facts!” – or – lately “you are really old if you don’t think I’m right you must be incompetent” (this last one from both sides, religion and science).

 

I do not and can (probably) never know how you perceive the world, as in this case, for your ability to judge me. I won’t try – seem to me our perceptions almost certainly change with age.

 

However it works, no matter if it is objective or subjective the scientist “clones” it over and over. The function “science” is to believe what we perceive , while leaving out the bits and bobs of our conditioned mental facilities. (i.e. believe scientists or priests)

 

Why do you object to calling science a religion – both rely on faith. Neither can be 100% sure - can they?

 

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Cory, Ken,

 

For years I’ve been perplexed by people who tell me “if you don’t trust science you’re an idiot” – or – Religion is just for people who don’t know the facts!” – or – lately “you are really old if you don’t think I’m right you must be incompetent” (this last one from both sides, religion and science).

 

I do not and can (probably) never know how you perceive the world, as in this case, for your ability to judge me. I won’t try – seem to me our perceptions almost certainly change with age.

 

However it works, no matter if it is objective or subjective the scientist “clones” it over and over. The function “science” is to believe what we perceive , while leaving out the bits and bobs of our conditioned mental facilities. (i.e. believe scientists or priests)

 

Why do you object to calling science a religion – both rely on faith. Neither can be 100% sure - can they?

 

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Because it not a religion and it does not require faith. Faith is pretending to know what one cannot possibly know.

The problem isn't what people don't know, it's what they know that just ain't so.
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Mi, ch’fais toudis à m’mote

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Phone.

 

Science is a process. It's end result is to say this is the best explanation we can find, it explains what we see, it isn't contradicted by anything we can think of and it predicts this and this.

The process then requires that the person proposing the new explanation invite their peers to tear holes in their work.

 

There is no faith

 

As you suggest, "Neither can be 100% sure", but only one has the capacity to change its position in light of new evidence or a better explanation of the observable nature of things.

 

Would you rather have a watch that requires an occasional correction or would you rather have one that stopped working in the late bronze age?

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Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel. Barbel. Bleak. Dace.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.

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Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub.

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Would you rather have a watch that requires an occasional correction or would you rather have one that stopped working in the late bronze age?

I ask "You are choking to death on a piece of food. I can perform the Heimlich maneuver or I can pray for you. What's it to be?"

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The problem isn't what people don't know, it's what they know that just ain't so.
Vaut mieux ne rien dire et passer pour un con que de parler et prouver que t'en est un!
Mi, ch’fais toudis à m’mote

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I ask "Ypu are choking to death on a piece of food. I can perform the Heimlich maneuver or I can pray for you. What's it to be?"

Heimlich first then if i recover you can tell me god loves me

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Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies!

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

Life insurance? you wont enjoy a penny!

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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