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Can you give an example of a scientist getting it wrong and deserving punishment?

I can think of dozens of examples of papers being published containing experimental results and those results being inappropriately reported and sensationalised by the press, but not many examples where stuff was wrong.

Andrew Wakefield and Hwang Woo-Suk spring to mind, but it turns out that thy were falsifying results for personal gain.

 

I suppose the "cold fusion" debacle is about as close as you're going to get.

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It does seem too much to comprehend, what is out there beyond what us little earthlings can see.   We think we have a bit of understanding about the vast "universe" that surrounds us, but does it go

I have better things to do Ken ,i will leave space for spaceists sitting slack jawed and hand down trousers whenever some unproven opinion of the day pops upWhen a black hole comes up my path and dema

A simple "no" would have sufficed.

Anything not proved is opinion

People are being paid for opinion

As opinion isnt fact why do we hear it ?

If anyone was paid for results not words it would be fine ,some scientists (most?) get a lifetimes wages and have not produced anything but opinion if their opinion is later to be found false then they should be punished for fraud ,very heavily punished to deter others from releasing opinion and only opinion

If i get paid as a gardener and only think i have done gardening (and produced nothing ,no lawn stripes no weeding ,roses unpruned )i would be in court and punished for fraud but 'scientists' seem not to be bound by rules others have to follow and seemingly can spout anything without the need to back it up with proof

The press dont magically "find" someones work its made available to drum up money so the opinion can carry on ,pay by results not promises just like everyone else is

If you paid me to paint your door how long would you pay me to voice an opinion the door will be painted ,the door could be painted ,the door may be painted ,or the door is painted when you know i havnt ever seen the door ,a life time? I doubt you would pay a penny until the paint was on the door

So why are we paying people that state theres a planet 65 trillion miles away that could be habitable without having to go there and prove it ? Its the god scam with maths money from suckers ,how many people in this world are paid because they say god exists but only they know without having to prove god exists ,its a well used scam and now the 'scientists' have got in the act

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Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies!

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

Life insurance? you wont enjoy a penny!

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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Anything not proved is opinion

People are being paid for opinion

As opinion isnt fact why do we hear it ?

If anyone was paid for results not words it would be fine ,some scientists (most?) get a lifetimes wages and have not produced anything but opinion if their opinion is later to be found false then they should be punished for fraud ,very heavily punished to deter others from releasing opinion and only opinion

If i get paid as a gardener and only think i have done gardening (and produced nothing ,no lawn stripes no weeding ,roses unpruned )i would be in court and punished for fraud but 'scientists' seem not to be bound by rules others have to follow and seemingly can spout anything without the need to back it up with proof

The press dont magically "find" someones work its made available to drum up money so the opinion can carry on ,pay by results not promises just like everyone else is

If you paid me to paint your door how long would you pay me to voice an opinion the door will be painted ,the door could be painted ,the door may be painted ,or the door is painted when you know i havnt ever seen the door ,a life time? I doubt you would pay a penny until the paint was on the door

So why are we paying people that state theres a planet 65 trillion miles away that could be habitable without having to go there and prove it ? Its the god scam with maths money from suckers ,how many people in this world are paid because they say god exists but only they know without having to prove god exists ,its a well used scam and now the 'scientists' have got in the act

 

Is that your considered opinion, Chesters?

 

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Its an opinion ,no need to consider anything the difference is i am not getting paid

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Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies!

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

Life insurance? you wont enjoy a penny!

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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A simple "no" would have sufficed.

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Species caught in 2020: Barbel. European Eel. Bleak. Perch. Pike.

Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel. Barbel. Bleak. Dace.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.

Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.

Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub.

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Anything not proved is opinion

People are being paid for opinion

As opinion isnt fact why do we hear it ?

If anyone was paid for results not words it would be fine ,some scientists (most?) get a lifetimes wages and have not produced anything but opinion if their opinion is later to be found false then they should be punished for fraud ,very heavily punished to deter others from releasing opinion and only opinion

If i get paid as a gardener and only think i have done gardening (and produced nothing ,no lawn stripes no weeding ,roses unpruned )i would be in court and punished for fraud but 'scientists' seem not to be bound by rules others have to follow and seemingly can spout anything without the need to back it up with proof

The press dont magically "find" someones work its made available to drum up money so the opinion can carry on ,pay by results not promises just like everyone else is

If you paid me to paint your door how long would you pay me to voice an opinion the door will be painted ,the door could be painted ,the door may be painted ,or the door is painted when you know i havnt ever seen the door ,a life time? I doubt you would pay a penny until the paint was on the door

So why are we paying people that state theres a planet 65 trillion miles away that could be habitable without having to go there and prove it ? Its the god scam with maths money from suckers ,how many people in this world are paid because they say god exists but only they know without having to prove god exists ,its a well used scam and now the 'scientists' have got in the act

Some 2/3 of working, publishing scientists are employed in the private sector. The "punishment" for consistent failure is your P45.

 

The job off a scientist is not to prove you are correct it is to try and prove your peers are wrong.

The problem isn't what people don't know, it's what they know that just ain't so.
Vaut mieux ne rien dire et passer pour un con que de parler et prouver que t'en est un!
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The problem isn't what people don't know, it's what they know that just ain't so.
Vaut mieux ne rien dire et passer pour un con que de parler et prouver que t'en est un!
Mi, ch’fais toudis à m’mote

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Both plus more ,microwaving in 3" increments from the feet up should persuade them to buck up

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Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies!

 

There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong

 

Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle

 

Mathew 4:19

Grangers law : anything i say will  turn out the opposite or not happen at all!

Life insurance? you wont enjoy a penny!

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

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Ken,

 

OK, so I have way to much time - of the 300,000 results for "scientific miscues" here are a few of my favorites.

 

Darwin's notion of heredity

Kelvin's Earth age estimate

Hoyle's Big Bang

Einstein's cosmological constant

Very Cold Fusion, Duplicates the sun in a test tube releases hydrogen

Chernobyl

Medical misuse of antibiotics

Or Fen-phen

 

and

this one for Chesters1

 

100 billion $$ was spent on Y2K

 

Phone

 

Edit: I left out some really good ones where punishment was rendered, sometime it was severe. (I love the internet)

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