Should we have left the EU?

[chesters1]

Lost the plot more like,even he loves brexit had it not occurred where could he vent his bile and crap assides every other thread he can blame on the tories

If labour was in power he would still blame the tories lol

Edited June 24, 2021 by chesters1

[big_cod]

49 minutes ago, chesters1 said:

Lost the plot more like,even he loves brexit had it not occurred where could he vent his bile and crap assides every other thread he can blame on the tories

If labour was in power he would still blame the tories lol

Me lost the  plot Your telling porkies  again Chester’s now come on which boat are we talking about .tell me please

Edited June 24, 2021 by big_cod

[big_cod]

1 hour ago, Ken L said:

That doesn't explain anything, but let's take a look at the Locker Trawlers thing.

You claimed that a local company was losing £1m per month due to Brexit.

You eventually identified that company as Locker Trawlers and claimed that their boats had been tied up at the quayside for six months.

Your lie was called out, because two of their boats were demonstrably out at sea, and not tied up at the quayside for six months.

All the stuff about boxes of cod took place inside your own head.

You didn't hold anyone or any claim up to scrutiny, you simply got caught in a lie, and you have still not provided any evidence that anyone is "losing a milion pounds a month".

With regard to the question of whether Brexit has been "a disaster", we are evidently using very different metrics. If you go back to Barry's original "Should we" thread, you will see that those of us supporting Brexit always accepted that there would be a short term economic hit, followed by long term prosperity, but the goals were all related to sovereignty and independence. You by contrast can't see anything beyond short term finance.

Boris's deal (especially in relation to EU access to our fishing grounds and his cluster **** over Northern Ireland) have been disappointing, but the main goals have been achieved, a definite five-year timetable has been set out for our remaining objectives and all of the indicators suggest that the expected economic dip, followed by long term prosperity is on track. We are happy. You are completely mired in the short term economic dip, because that is all you can see or care about.

At the end of the day, you'll just have to be the big man, suck it up and deal with the fact that your side lost the argument in 2016.

You don’t really want to talk about lockers trawlers do you how embarrassing it is but anyway here we go Again !!!!!!

So as I know all the skippers who skipper those boats and i know exactly what’s  happing , so for 5 months all locker trawlers boats were tied up then some guard work came along which really in real terms on there scale isn’t worth doing as it bare covers expenses as the it costs thousands and thousands a week in expenses.

Bit this is the bit they have lost near on £6 million sterling since January .zthere average landing are around £300,000 fir 9-10 day trip now I know you know absolutely nothing about fishing but surely you can work those figures out to press .

Now in the northeast section of chamber and commerce they have 3000 members and as said in there report 75% have been affected or severely affected by brexit , that’s over 2000 businesses I bet lockers losses are peanuts conspired to them .

It’ definitely  brexsick Britain and the royal yacht getting built abroad Ken come on brexit and this ?????? Rule Britannia and all that

All those angry fishermen want Boris Johnson’s scalp .

‘Stitched up and sold out’: UK’s fishing crews outraged at Brexit betrayal five years after referendum

You were warned like the rest .

Fishing has long been known as a hard, oft-uncomfortable way to graft a living. Now fishers across the UK say their trade has been made even more difficult – by Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-referendum-fishing-betrayal-newlyn-b1867151.html

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[big_cod]

Oh **** it’s now in the telegraph 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/24/o2-customers-face-new-roaming-charges-travelling-eu/

n January, mobile phone operators said they would not bring back roaming charges for Brits.

These were scrapped in 2014 after the Rome Like At Home proposal was approved by the European Parliament.

This meant Brits could travel throughout Europe and not pay extra for calls, texts and data

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[Ken L]

54 minutes ago, big_cod said:

You don’t really want to talk about lockers trawlers do you how embarrassing it is but anyway here we go Again !!!!!!

So as I know all the skippers who skipper those boats and i know exactly what’s  happing , so for 5 months all locker trawlers boats were tied up then some guard work came along which really in real terms on there scale isn’t worth doing as it bare covers expenses as the it costs thousands and thousands a week in expenses.

Bit this is the bit they have lost near on £6 million sterling since January .zthere average landing are around £300,000 fir 9-10 day trip now I know you know absolutely nothing about fishing but surely you can work those figures out to press .

Now in the northeast section of chamber and commerce they have 3000 members and as said in there report 75% have been affected or severely affected by brexit , that’s over 2000 businesses I bet lockers losses are peanuts conspired to them .

It’ definitely  brexsick Britain and the royal yacht getting built abroad Ken come on brexit and this ?????? Rule Britannia and all that

All those angry fishermen want Boris Johnson’s scalp .

‘Stitched up and sold out’: UK’s fishing crews outraged at Brexit betrayal five years after referendum

You were warned like the rest .

Fishing has long been known as a hard, oft-uncomfortable way to graft a living. Now fishers across the UK say their trade has been made even more difficult – by Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-referendum-fishing-betrayal-newlyn-b1867151.html

I couldn't really care less abut Locker's Trawlers. You bought them up. You lied about them. You got caught out. You have still provided no evidence to support your claims other than your usual "My mate" stories.

 

[big_cod]

1 hour ago, Ken L said:

I couldn't really care less abut Locker's Trawlers. You bought them up. You lied about them. You got caught out. You have still provided no evidence to support your claims other than your usual "My mate" stories.

 

Watch  your pal lying his way about brexit in parliament yesterday. Even as you said we got the vaccine rollout because of Brexit it  was a lie  but I suppose if your head is mashed in what can you say . your corrected in this video sit back and  watch the biggest  lying PM to ever to hold office in the United Kingdon dribble a load lies .

The benefits of brexsick

 

Edited June 24, 2021 by big_cod

[Ken L]

1 hour ago, big_cod said:

Watch  your pal lying his way about brexit in parliament yesterday. Even as you said we got the vaccine rollout because of Brexit it  was a lie  but I suppose if your head is mashed in what can you say . your corrected in this video sit back and  watch the biggest  lying PM to ever to hold office in the United Kingdon dribble a load lies .

The benefits of brexsick

 

I really can't be arsed to watch videos from your basement dwelling friends. I tried with this one, but I had enough with his half-truths about freeports. Did you notice that he didn't say why David Cameron's government closed them down in 2012?

It was because of: "the regulatory constraints placed on them by the EU".

As Wikipedia points out:

"In 2016, the then backbench MP—and later Chancellor of the Exchequer—Rishi Sunak published a white paper for the Centre for Policy Studies outlining his ideas for post-Brexit free ports similar to those in the United States. The paper titled The Free Ports Opportunity suggested that creation of such ports could create 86,000 jobs and help fuel the Northern Powerhouse by bringing increased trade to deprived areas".

Edited June 24, 2021 by Ken L

[big_cod]

28 minutes ago, Ken L said:

I really can't be arsed to watch videos from your basement dwelling friends. I tried with this one, but I had enough with his half-truths about freeports. Did you notice that he didn't say why David Cameron's government closed them down in 2012?

It was because of: "the regulatory constraints placed on them by the EU".

As Wikipedia points out:

"In 2016, the then backbench MP—and later Chancellor of the Exchequer—Rishi Sunak published a white paper for the Centre for Policy Studies outlining his ideas for post-Brexit free ports similar to those in the United States. The paper titled The Free Ports Opportunity suggested that creation of such ports could create 86,000 jobs and help fuel the Northern Powerhouse by bringing increased trade to deprived areas".

Freeport’s we didn’t get the 6 million immigrants grants from turkey but there will there be  tons and tons of cheap Steele coming from there , might be 6 million tons Ken that will put a dent in U.K. manufacturing putting U.K. jobs at risk .

You didn’t watch the bit from Jane raine about the rollout vaccine having nothing to with brexit what so ever when you claimed it did , but we always ignore  the facts when it suits .

And why the EU wanted to scrap Freeport’s exactly as I said all along with brexit it’s tax evasion which is brexit main objective .

In April 2019 the European Parliament called for freeports to be scrappedacross the EU as a result of a report on tax evasion and money laundering 

But you see Ken our last Freeport was scrapped in 2012 by the Tory’s before the 2019 directive by the EU you have got that haven’t you .

So we want money laundering and  tax evasion with Freeport’s . And at the G7 we want a tax rate right across the board for all members , and the exact same day Richie our chancellor asked for Britain to excluded or a special case how convenient  and full of **** Boris Johnson is .

And  you actually think they are on your side

Edited June 24, 2021 by big_cod

[Ken L]

24 minutes ago, big_cod said:

Freeport’s we didn’t get the 6 million immigrants grants from turkey but there will there be  tons and tons of cheap Steele coming from there , might be 6 million tons Ken that will put a dent in U.K. manufacturing putting U.K. jobs at risk .

You didn’t watch the bit from Jane raine about the rollout vaccine having nothing to with brexit what so ever when you claimed it did , but we always ignore  the facts when it suits .

That's weird because both European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier have admitted that the EU's response to the Covid-19 crisis and the acquisition of vaccine supplies was severely hampered by its inability to take risks and make decisions quickly.

Both have also acknowledged that being free of the block allowed the UK to outpace and out manoeuvre the EU.

While your Britain hating, basement dwelling friends might point out that technically, any individual country within the EU could have made its own arrangements, none of them did, and even if they had, it would have been much easier for the other countries in the block to steal their vaccines, as they tried and failed to do to Britain in March.

Edited June 24, 2021 by Ken L

[big_cod]

6 minutes ago, Ken L said:

That's weird because both European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier have admitted that the EU's response to the Covid-19 crisis and the acquisition of vaccine supplies was severely hampered by its inability to take risks and make decisions quickly.

Both have also acknowledged that being free of the block allowed the UK to outpace and out manoeuvre the EU.

While your Britain hating, basement dwelling friends might point out that technically, any individual country within the EU could have made its own arrangements, none of them did, and even if they had, it would have been much easier to the other countries in the block to steal their vaccines, as they tried and failed to do to Britain in March.

They were maybe a little more cautious because the vaccines had little trials in real terms .

But as June Raine rightly said brexit had nothing whatsoever to do with the speed of the  vaccine rollout . If we were an EU member we could still have had it when we did .

June Munro Raine, CBE (née Harris; born 1952), is a British pharmacologist who is currently serving as the Chief Executive of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) in the United Kingdom.
...
June Raine.

Edited June 24, 2021 by big_cod