Self-Defence on the bank

[jeepster]

take a slightly psychotic friend with you, that's what i did for years, never had any aggro

[Alan Fawcett]

only things you need

 

1) rottie called Sil

 

2) Gaffer as a fishing companion

 

3) black widow/ diablo catty with a bag of 18mm boilies

[Scopex]

Take of yer wellies, the smell should deter them, if it doesn't they are probably a deranged maniac and you've had it!

[Ken L]

Ah, the anchient Japanese art of running away.

Otherwise known as Nike-Jutsu.

Bit of a bummer when you're leaving a couple of grands worth of kit on the bank though.

[GlennB]

Ken L:

Ah, the anchient Japanese art of running away.

Otherwise known as Nike-Jutsu.

Bit of a bummer when you're leaving a couple of grands worth of kit on the bank though.

Well yeah, but what is the psycho going to do while you phone the cops and take photos of 'em? Break down your triple set of 12' Fox rods, dismantle your rod pod and pack those Shimanos in their pockets? Leg it with that 15m pole? Stash away those 2 pints of maggots?

 

In retrospect, keeping your wallet,phone and camera in your pockets while legging it is probably the simplest advice. :cool: Mind you, unless you're pretty nimble it might be best to do without the photos. Think about it.

[Guest Brumagem Phil]

Make sure your super sharp stainless steel filleting knife is clearly on display during the hours of dark. You may have no intention of using it, but THEY dont know that....its a bluff thing.

[Guest tigger]

Don't forget the ancient self defence art of 'running away' when threatened, kit can be replaced, I can't think of anything I'd rather not lose on the bank than my life. [/QB]

 

 

Never run away you might trip and break your ankle

 

Tigger.

[argyll]

There's no way he's going to make off with my gear. Not without making three trips of it plus a fourth with the kitchen sink.

[DJMCJERICO]

While fishing i normaly have with me my fav knife, 2 blades that fold out at each end facing opposit directions, in the style of "Blade".

At all times (not just fishing) i have a kumotae bar (sp) its a legal keyring about 6inch long made of steel, has a blunt point end for pressure points etc, good for wrist locks and such and also swings well from a bunch of keys.

Bait needles, we know how sharp they are as we have all been pricked wth one, bang it into the "thief's" shoe, he wont be able pull it out or run away, if he dose then that barb will make sure he needs a trip to the hozzy, and the police will find him.

Landing nets, if you dont think your will get away and the "thief" is armed then a landing net could come in handy, Most are about 6ft long so a nice safe distance can be kept between you, or you could put the net over his head, swing him around untill he falls and hit him with the other end.

Water, if you can get them in the water, you have a much better chance of getting away if their having to carry 20lb of soaking cloths.

 

Remember, everybody has the right to defend themself and everybody has the right to use REASONABLE force in the aid of an arrest.

This is also the case in a citizens arrest under common law.

(i'm 90% certain thats right, i'm sure theres a uniform here who can clear it up)

So kicking them in the nads and holding thier face in the dirt untill the police arrive is acceptable.

Kicking them in the balls and jumoing on thier head will get your arrested aswell.

 

 

Brumagem Phil:

Make sure your super sharp stainless steel filleting knife is clearly on display during the hours of dark. You may have no intention of using it, but THEY dont know that....its a bluff thing.

keep it with you at all times, someone else might get hold of it while your distracted.

[Ian FG]

All of this information is freely available on the Internet. A couple of important points:

 

An offensive weapon can include:

"an article being carried by a person who intends to use it to cause injury.."

 

So, this could be anything so long as you intended to cause injury with it.

 

It is only an offence to carry an offensive weapon in a public place. This implies that if the fishery is private property you may carry all the offensive weapons you wish. Use of force though applies in private as well as public.

 

 

USE OF FORCE:

 

Criminal Law Act 1967 section 3 (1)

 

"A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large."

 

 

OFFENSIVE WEAPON:

 

Prevention of Crime Act 1953 s.1

Any person who without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, the proof whereof shall lie on him, has with him in any public place any offensive weapon shall be guilty of an offence.

 

Important points concerning the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 s.1:-

 

This offence involves the carrying of a weapon in a public place. A public place is defined as anywhere where the public have or may be permitted to have access whether for payment or not. It is important to define what is meant by an offensive weapon. The Act defines what they are :-

 

(a) articles that were made for causing injury to a person and are offensive weapons in their own right (for example, a flick knife, a bayonet or a hand gun)

 

( articles adapted for use for causing injury to a person (for example, a bottle that has been broken so the broken end may be used to cause injury)

 

© an article being carried by a person who intends to use it to cause injury (for example, a hammer)

 

A person who has a good reason (reasonable excuse) or lawful authority for carrying the offensive weapon is not committing a crime. However the onus of proof is on the person carrying the weapon to show that they were carrying it with an innocent purpose. The reasonable excuse (or lawful authority) must be identified with the carrying of the weapon, and not with its use. Carrying an offensive weapon for "self defence" in case of attack is not a reasonable excuse. It is not a reasonable excuse to be carrying the weapon because you had been using the article for an innocent purpose earlier and had forgotten to put it away afterwards.

 

The maximum penalty for a conviction of this offence is 4 years imprisonment for offences committed after 4 July 1996 and 2 years for offences committed before then.

 

Section 139(1) of the Criminal Justice Act 1988

This provision makes it an offence for a person to carry an article with a blade or a point in a public place unless they can prove any of the following:-

That they had lawful authority or reasonable excuse for carrying it

That they were carrying the article for use at work

That they were carrying it for religious reasons

That they were carrying it as part of national costume

This offence is punishable by a maximum of 2 years imprisonment for offences committed after 4 July 1996 and a fine only for offences committed before then.

 

Please note the following points:-

Folding pocket knives with blades not exceeding 3 inches are exempt from this provision. This means that it is not an offence to carry a penknife around with you. Age is not a material factor in any respect - anyone can own or carry a penknife no matter what age they are. The only occasion when the police would take action would be if the person is using the penknife illegally such as to cause criminal damage or to injure someone.

Lock knives with blades of any length and folding pocket knives with blades exceeding 3 inches are covered by this provision together with any other article that has a blade or is sharply pointed, such as a Stanley knife.

Carrying an article with a blade or a point for "self defence" in case of attack does not constitute a reasonable excuse, nor is it a reasonable excuse to be carrying it because you had been using it for a job earlier and had forgotten to put it away afterwards.