Fair play?

[Guest Rabbit]

You're evading my question. Should my mate withdraw from Europe so as not to take the jobs of Spanish and French shop fitters? Oui ou non?

 

Get focused on the problem at hand, this country is losing thousands of jobs every week, we have the work in this country, and the skilled labour to fulfil it and yet with all the problems we face we allow the imported labour to moor a floating hotel of foreign workers and make offensive gestures. Is it any wonder that as a whole the vast majority of Brits feel offended? I am talking Brits here not some Anglo French / Spanish exile types who prefer to mock this country rather than support their country of birth.

To answer your question ( I thought I had) I will say this only once (more) The jobs in question are located HERE in Britain and not on the Continent that your 'mate' works. Besides we are talking highly skilled engineering work too, not the same as your Shopfitter types.

[DavyR]

Rabbit, what don't you understand about the way EU employment law works? Any Brit can go and work in any EU country and vice-versa. I don't like it either, being an insular protectionist sort by nature. But if we're in the EU, that's the way it is. There's no point in trying to imply a lack of patriotism in anyone who isn't in favour of throwing out the foreign workers and giving the jobs to Brits.

[corydoras]

Get focused on the problem at hand, this country is losing thousands of jobs every week, we have the work in this country, and the skilled labour to fulfil it and yet with all the problems we face we allow the imported labour to moor a floating hotel of foreign workers and make offensive gestures. Is it any wonder that as a whole the vast majority of Brits feel offended? I am talking Brits here not some Anglo French / Spanish exile types who prefer to mock this country rather than support their country of birth.

To answer your question ( I thought I had) I will say this only once (more) The jobs in question are located HERE in Britain and not on the Continent that your 'mate' works. Besides we are talking highly skilled engineering work too, not the same as your Shopfitter types.

My mates 'shopfitter types' are all qualified lighting engineers and electricians. You seem to have no notion of what competitive tendering is. Sorry to be Paxmanesque but should he withdraw from his European business? Stop making ad hominem attacks on me and answer my question.

[kleinboet]

DaveyR - Pl;ease don't come up with that rubbish as that is EXACTLY what we are led to believe must happen!! What about the man that jumped a fence and ran to grab a womens hand who was dangling over a cliff. HE was told that it was "professional misconduct" So what he did had no relevence with his job either!! There are always those that go above and beyond!!

[Sportsman]

This thread is getting a bit surreal

[DavyR]

This thread is getting a bit surreal

 

It's ok, I can't understand what KB is on about either...

[chesters1]

My mates 'shopfitter types' are all qualified lighting engineers and electricians. You seem to have no notion of what competitive tendering is. Sorry to be Paxmanesque but should he withdraw from his European business? Stop making ad hominem attacks on me and answer my question.

answer he wont do that ,avoid yes (master of that),attack yes answer no well only if he's seen to be right in the drift of the thread

once people point out he's actually wrong it goes quiet ,still waiting for a reply on the shooting thread.

probably never get a response to my post in this thread once the source of the quotes are found

Edited February 2, 2009 by chesters1

[corydoras]

Get focused on the problem at hand, this country is losing thousands of jobs every week, we have the work in this country, and the skilled labour to fulfil it and yet with all the problems we face we allow the imported labour to moor a floating hotel of foreign workers and make offensive gestures. Is it any wonder that as a whole the vast majority of Brits feel offended? I am talking Brits here not some Anglo French / Spanish exile types who prefer to mock this country rather than support their country of birth.

To answer your question ( I thought I had) I will say this only once (more) The jobs in question are located HERE in Britain and not on the Continent that your 'mate' works. Besides we are talking highly skilled engineering work too, not the same as your Shopfitter types.

 

My first post Rabbit

 

I have an acquaintance who runs a shopfitting, display lighting and electrical installation company out of Gosport. He has a team of 50 to 60 shop fitters. He tenders for work all over Europe. He has fitted shops and installed lighting systems in big hotels and department stores in Paris, Madrid, Lyon, Marseilles, Barcelona, Caen and many other cities in Europe. He regularly has 20-30 British workers constantly working on the continent. He does this by tendering for the work and undercutting the local competition. If he was to rely on just the business he generates from his UK clients he would have to lay off 25 skilled staff and would be buying about 10 transit vans less every three years. Would you have him stop tendering for European business?

 

I have a friend who is a highly skilled carpenter. He works almost exclusively in France working on the restoration of roofs in big churches and cathedrals, he spent 6 months at the Mont St Michael working on the roofs there. He can't find enough of this kind of work at home. Should he sit on the dole?

 

Your subsequent posts.

 

British Jobs for British workers was probably one of the best quotes from the present incumbent. Totally the right idea, but since Britain is forced to work in an open market with regard to goods and employment it was a naive comment.

 

However the fact that foreign workers can pinch British jobs in the current climate is staggering, and to add insult to injury we are see pictures of Italian workers giving us the 'finger and the 'f' off ' sign.

 

Can you imagine if British workers conducted themselves like this in France or Italy? The least that would happen would be their boat would be sunk!!

 

Britain had precious little skill based engineering left, and to give up so easily while we are putting thousands on the dole every day is a scandal, again greed is the motivation not people which is why we are in this situation.

 

For once I think we should support these men on strike, at least they have the balls to stand up and fight.

 

As an ex pat Captain that was the response I expected However the odd hairdresser or plumber plying his or her trade in your village or similar is hardly the same situation that we are witnessing back home at the moment.

 

Get focused on the problem at hand, this country is losing thousands of jobs every week, we have the work in this country, and the skilled labour to fulfil it and yet with all the problems we face we allow the imported labour to moor a floating hotel of foreign workers and make offensive gestures. Is it any wonder that as a whole the vast majority of Brits feel offended? I am talking Brits here not some Anglo French / Spanish exile types who prefer to mock this country rather than support their country of birth.

To answer your question ( I thought I had) I will say this only once (more) The jobs in question are located HERE in Britain and not on the Continent that your 'mate' works. Besides we are talking highly skilled engineering work too, not the same as your Shopfitter types.

 

 

I cant see a Yes/No type answer in any of your posts, just weasel words and ad hominem attacks. So please, help me out Rabbit . Should my mate cut the size of his business in half and lay off 20 skilled shopfitters and electricians? Yes or No

[chesters1]

pointless the blinkers work on his own posts as well he just wont see his own posts ,i have done the same before quoting his own posts without success.

his great ability to ignore context and grab "hot" words to reply to is well known! bigot next or is that just me

Edited February 2, 2009 by chesters1

[Guest Rabbit]

Rabbit, what don't you understand about the way EU employment law works? Any Brit can go and work in any EU country and vice-versa. I don't like it either, being an insular protectionist sort by nature. But if we're in the EU, that's the way it is. There's no point in trying to imply a lack of patriotism in anyone who isn't in favour of throwing out the foreign workers and giving the jobs to Brits.

I do not care much either, especially in these circumstances, neither do the vast majority of ordinary folk either. The whole affair in the way that this project was handled showed a complete lack of understanding of the current situation. So I can content myself in thinking that I an very much in the majority, and even Mandleson will find it a tad difficult to spin a way out of this one.

Edited February 2, 2009 by Rabbit