Lets put it in a box and leave it behind

[chesters1]

If you are indeed a bailiff as you claim and not just someone who unofficially checks tickets then your position is enforced by law and that law was made by Parliament. Either way, your stance of defiance of any rules and regulations that you don't like makes you a hypocrite.

 

You also seem to be under a couple of misaprehensions. Firstly some rivers and parts of rivers are deemed navigable and they are the ones that canoeists can lawfully use. Secondly just because someone posts a video of them breaking the law by canoeing on a river where there is no lawful right of navigtion doesn't mean that you won't be prosecuted. It just means that they got away with it. Just like you can find thousands of Youtube vids of people with of road motorbikes in public places. Thay are committing offences whether they are prosecuted or not.

 

If someone uses a boat, and a canoe is a boat, on a river where there is no lawful right of navigation then they commit an offence. That offence can be prosecuted in Magistrate's Court. They could in certain circumstances also face claims for damages. If they use their canoes on navigable waterways without being registered they can be prosecuted by the relevant agencies and have to pay court costs and any damages.

 

I'm sorry to have to labour this over and over again, but if anyone could boat anywhere then this thread would not be necessary.

 

the club instructs me to check permits ,i have no other powers other than "escorting" people off the pond ,the club gives me this power, in law i have none i can be sued for assault like anyone else

 

this is the main gist of "land"

"Land is defined as the surface, subsoil, airspace and anything permanently attached to the land, such as houses", rivers are not a permanent fixture ,they move along ,they can flood or dry up therefore they are not land

 

the law is shaky as i said and revolves around "trespass" look it up ,bikes are different they go on hard stuff called "land" where they "damage" it ,does a canoe damage a river? a barge could do hence speed limits on navigable waters.

 

i am asking to see the law that says a canoe cannot never ever go on an unnavigable river ,not some silly notion it cannot but the actual law ,there is none its back to shaky trespass laws

theres is a definite (almost) law that says the top speed is 70 but how could you overtake ,again its not hard and fast theres always exclusions or loopholes

 

if its illegal to go on an unavigable river per se why do the council not procecute the village raft race ,its rescue canoes ,the vicar the local boy scout field two or more farms upstream ,you cannot have a law for some and not others

 

lets get this clear if i put a canoe in my local river just what law will get me arrested? what about wild swimmers? is a wet suit a vessel ,their enclosed by it ? a dry suit? holding onto a log a life jacket ? why is it just canoes?

 

the basingstoke canal was navigable then it wasnt now some is how does "navigable" work? is it having water? ,barges? ,canoes? what?

very confusing if "navigable" is tidal waters how can you canoe the non tidal thames?

 

i think its all about money ? you can police and licence easy to get to places but you cannot with most ,call the licensable "navigable" and the parts difficult to police unnavigable and sit back and let the money come to you

Edited April 10, 2012 by chesters1

[andy_youngs]

We've got a closet anarchist who uses the very powers he despises and his only defence to terminal ignorance is that the Vicar done it so it must be OK!

 

Forget the barbel stocking issue. That is a sideshow. The big issue is that you cannot lawfully paddle your canoes down most rivers and until you get the law changed that will remain so.

Erm right, and you're not a bully?

[andy_youngs]

While you're at it, see if you can get some info on the roach stocking on the Avon, if sustainability of various species is the real issue here - or does it only become an issue when you have a run-in with an irate roach angler?

I'm not wasting my time looking into that. I suspect that roach were always present in the river and that any roach stocking that has taken place was to replenish a population which had been depleted through unnatural human intervention.

 

Why dont you answer a perfectly straight, direct question first, about how many barbel have been artificially stocked into the Hampshire Avon? For goodness sake, I'm only asking for an honest answer a straight question. You talk about roach stocks in the Avon, which Avon? there a loads of them.

Edited April 11, 2012 by andy_youngs

[andy_youngs]

just because someone posts a video of them breaking the law by canoeing on a river where there is no lawful right of navigtion doesn't mean that you won't be prosecuted.

That's a load of ****** as well. I posted this video on youtube yonks ago, and nobodies ever taken any legal action against me (much to my disappointment).

 

Edited April 11, 2012 by andy_youngs

[andy_youngs]

your stance of defiance of any rules and regulations that you don't like makes you a hypocrite.

And your stance of intolerance makes you a fascist.

Edited April 11, 2012 by andy_youngs

[Newt]

Gents - lets back away from the name calling. Argue substance, argue opinions, argue right/wrong, but stop the "bully", "fascist", "hypocrit", and other such terms applied to someone just because you don't like what he posts.

[andy_youngs]

OK, I'll withdraw the 'fascist' charge, so long as Nicepix withdraws the 'hypocrite' charge.

[Ken L]

I'm struggling to work out what the point of your postings are andy.

Your stance is so unreasonable that you've managed to turn not only your hated barbel anglers but also the kayakers and kayak anglers on the board against you.

In a closed community like this, that hardly matters as far as access goes. It simply affects they way that people who you might ask for advice relate to you in the future.

Out in the big bad world though, it will see you loose at every turn .

The fact that you have stated your intent to trespass and contempt for the law using what is presumably your real name on a public forum isn't exactly going to do you any favours either if your activities ever land you in court.

 

As for 'fascist', just as with 'xenophobic', I think you need to spend a bit more time with the dictionary.

[grayson]

the club instructs me to check permits ,i have no other powers other than "escorting" people off the pond ,the club gives me this power, in law i have none i can be sued for assault like anyone else

 

this is the main gist of "land"

"Land is defined as the surface, subsoil, airspace and anything permanently attached to the land, such as houses", rivers are not a permanent fixture ,they move along ,they can flood or dry up therefore they are not land

 

the law is shaky as i said and revolves around "trespass" look it up ,bikes are different they go on hard stuff called "land" where they "damage" it ,does a canoe damage a river? a barge could do hence speed limits on navigable waters.

 

i am asking to see the law that says a canoe cannot never ever go on an unnavigable river ,not some silly notion it cannot but the actual law ,there is none its back to shaky trespass laws

theres is a definite (almost) law that says the top speed is 70 but how could you overtake ,again its not hard and fast theres always exclusions or loopholes

 

if its illegal to go on an unavigable river per se why do the council not procecute the village raft race ,its rescue canoes ,the vicar the local boy scout field two or more farms upstream ,you cannot have a law for some and not others

 

lets get this clear if i put a canoe in my local river just what law will get me arrested? what about wild swimmers? is a wet suit a vessel ,their enclosed by it ? a dry suit? holding onto a log a life jacket ? why is it just canoes?

 

the basingstoke canal was navigable then it wasnt now some is how does "navigable" work? is it having water? ,barges? ,canoes? what?

very confusing if "navigable" is tidal waters how can you canoe the non tidal thames?

 

i think its all about money ? you can police and licence easy to get to places but you cannot with most ,call the licensable "navigable" and the parts difficult to police unnavigable and sit back and let the money come to you

Err .. i give up; we have explained the law to you. You don't like it- you are entitled not to like it of course but sadly you cannot cherrypick the laws you like and ignore the ones you don't. Money is utterly irrelevant to the issue. And how many more times - trespass not an offence- therefore not for the police to enforce !

[Guest redfin2]

the club instructs me to check permits ,i have no other powers other than "escorting" people off the pond ,the club gives me this power, in law i have none i can be sued for assault like anyone else

 

this is the main gist of "land"

"Land is defined as the surface, subsoil, airspace and anything permanently attached to the land, such as houses", rivers are not a permanent fixture ,they move along ,they can flood or dry up therefore they are not land

 

the law is shaky as i said and revolves around "trespass" look it up ,bikes are different they go on hard stuff called "land" where they "damage" it ,does a canoe damage a river? a barge could do hence speed limits on navigable waters.

 

i am asking to see the law that says a canoe cannot never ever go on an unnavigable river ,not some silly notion it cannot but the actual law ,there is none its back to shaky trespass laws

theres is a definite (almost) law that says the top speed is 70 but how could you overtake ,again its not hard and fast theres always exclusions or loopholes

 

if its illegal to go on an unavigable river per se why do the council not procecute the village raft race ,its rescue canoes ,the vicar the local boy scout field two or more farms upstream ,you cannot have a law for some and not others

 

lets get this clear if i put a canoe in my local river just what law will get me arrested? what about wild swimmers? is a wet suit a vessel ,their enclosed by it ? a dry suit? holding onto a log a life jacket ? why is it just canoes?

 

the basingstoke canal was navigable then it wasnt now some is how does "navigable" work? is it having water? ,barges? ,canoes? what?

very confusing if "navigable" is tidal waters how can you canoe the non tidal thames?

 

i think its all about money ? you can police and licence easy to get to places but you cannot with most ,call the licensable "navigable" and the parts difficult to police unnavigable and sit back and let the money come to you

So much wrong with this reply Chester's, why can't you ever accept that the other side you 'debate' with is right at times, to go off again on another tangent to try and patch up another ill conceived argument is just plain ridiculous.

When it comes to 'law' it is for everyone, whether your local vicar wishes not to comply that is for him, if you wish not to comply that is also for you, however it does not change the 'law' so to argue otherwise with Andy Young's and his actions are legal because he wishes to break the law is nothing short of Anarchy.

However in al this tripe, how can you have the notion that Trespass is an offence and the law is based around it is wildly off the mark and may I suggest you stop and think before again replying.