ANGLERS HAVE NOW MADE THEIR OWN BEDS

[John S]

OSPREY.... we have a policy on this site - NO PETTY NAMECALLING, NO BACKBITING, AND NO CHILDISH BICKERING.

 

This thread is within a gnat's fart of being deleted, so leave the personal comments out of it (and that goes for everyone).

 

John S

[wurzel]

Come on Wurzel. If you are going to use my style of sarcasm, you need to do deeper, more factual research. Have a look at the map of the exlusion zones here:-

http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/downloads/...each_Bylaws.pdf

This boat was slap in the zone marked Z on the 5th of May last year. Not only is this a popular area for anglers, but also for surfers when the wind/tide combination is correct. At low tide the water is pretty shallow. What would be the outcome of a surfer being tumbled into a pot line? Should they not be allowed to use the sea either in case they affect the income of the potters? Do we need to compare the turnover of Brighton surf shops to the value of lobsters landed in Brighton? Believe it or not, these rules dont get created because the burocrats are bored. Ususally they are as the result of an incident.And as to your other post, no, I certainly am not a saint. But I do respect rules and regulations, as they are there for a reason. And when I dont agree, I do as much as I can by the correct channels. I was as disgusted as you must have been reading about the barbed wire snare, and could not possibly condone actions like this. My barbed wire snare is the support for the NTZ's, and protest by peaceful means.

 

Hello Fishyrob

 

Seems more like commercial phobia to me, your photo only shows one very small fishing boat, no anglers, no surfers.

as you said he uses a graple to hook up the pots, the ropes are normaly leaded so I can't see how it would be possible for a surfer to tumble into a pot line, more likely to get cut up on the rocks, same goes for anglers tackle.

Do the commercial fishermen use your cafe then?

[richi]

Hello Fishyrob

 

Seems more like commercial phobia to me, your photo only shows one very small fishing boat, no anglers, no surfers.

as you said he uses a graple to hook up the pots, the ropes are normaly leaded so I can't see how it would be possible for a surfer to tumble into a pot line, more likely to get cut up on the rocks, same goes for anglers tackle.

Do the commercial fishermen use your cafe then?

 

I would imagine that commercial fishermen would be welcome anywhere as long as thier attitude to other people doesn't stink

[fishyrob]

Hello Fishyrob

 

Seems more like commercial phobia to me, your photo only shows one very small fishing boat, no anglers, no surfers.

as you said he uses a graple to hook up the pots, the ropes are normaly leaded so I can't see how it would be possible for a surfer to tumble into a pot line, more likely to get cut up on the rocks, same goes for anglers tackle.

Do the commercial fishermen use your cafe then?

 

It is just a very small fishing boat, but the pot line did take anglers leads (the picture is taken at about 05:00, the pot line was down there at least all that day, and I suspect until the next morning) as where he is laying the pots is THE bass spot when the sea is calm and clear, and the marina is heavily fished in the summer in good weather. It is rough ground, and the surfers that surf there are pure headcases in my opininon, and I am sure they regularly do damage themselves on the rocks, as their favourite surf is around the low water mark. It would be interesting to hear from a surfer if he considers pots to be a problem or not, but

I am pretty sure this exclusion zone is there to prevent clashes between water users, especially as it is effected only for the summer.

Anglers that dont realise they are fishing rough ground do lose tackle there, but those in the know adjust their tackle accordingly (we RSA's are just as clever as you comercials. We invented rough ground techniques jus like you guys invented rock hopping nets!!). As for the commercials using my cafe, unfortunately not. My customers are basically those that cant be bothered to walk to Asda's. The commercials all walk to Asda's. Why Asda's? Well, for what I have to sell a burger and chips for you can buy a whole cooked chicken in there. Now you can see why I dont want the anglers abandoning the marina? If I struggle again this year, I will have to consider change of use. And the thing I keep coming back to? Live lobster and crab. Mine will all be sporting the "Angler Friendly" brand though.........

[JB]

I would imagine that commercial fishermen would be welcome anywhere as long as thier attitude to other people doesn't stink

Hi richi,

Most commercial fishermen are ordinary people just trying to make a living the best way they can in an incorrectly and excessively over-controlled environment; much the same as most self-employed people in the UK. Given this problem, I find most of them have a remarkably good attitude towards anglers. However, I cannot say the same for many of this forum’s anglers’ attitude towards commercial fishermen. I may be leaving myself open for criticism by saying this, but it is a proven fact, as evidenced by many posts on many threads.

 

JB

[osprey]

Hi richi,

Most commercial fishermen are ordinary people just trying to make a living the best way they can in an incorrectly and excessively over-controlled environment; much the same as most self-employed people in the UK. Given this problem, I find most of them have a remarkably good attitude towards anglers. However, I cannot say the same for many of this forum’s anglers’ attitude towards commercial fishermen. I may be leaving myself open for criticism by saying this, but it is a proven fact, as evidenced by many posts on many threads.

 

JB

 

i totaly agree with you there because a few years ago in the summer occasionaly i would walk along the beach with my girl friend boorin her talkin to the anglers as we passed them and trying to help them out wit better spots to give them more of a chance of catchin better fish. i would help out the odd angler that had a boat with some of my own fishing spots and show them where to fish to be of some help but then i come across this site and realised what anglers thought of us and the things they say, funny thing is im still helpin out anglers with places to fish now and look what you all give back there shouldnt be a conservation/politics forum on this site it should just be talk on fishing new rigs and gear etc leave the proper politics for the fisherman to worry about and talk about because thats who its affecting not anglers.

[barry luxton]

Hi richi,

Most commercial fishermen are ordinary people just trying to make a living the best way they can in an incorrectly and excessively over-controlled environment; much the same as most self-employed people in the UK. Given this problem, I find most of them have a remarkably good attitude towards anglers. However, I cannot say the same for many of this forum’s anglers’ attitude towards commercial fishermen. I may be leaving myself open for criticism by saying this, but it is a proven fact, as evidenced by many posts on many threads.

 

JB

 

Hi John I totally agree with you regarding incorrectly and over controlled environment. I think its cr.p the amount of money both the eu and defra are spending controlling our waters and they cannot get it right. It's down to them. I do like to see fairplay, but the bad attitude is on both sides i think,not just anglers. cheers.

[fishyrob]

there shouldnt be a conservation/politics forum on this site it should just be talk on fishing new rigs and gear etc leave the proper politics for the fisherman to worry about and talk about because thats who its affecting not anglers.

 

Why is that Osprey? On a forum called ANGLERS NET (clue is in the title...) why should we not discuss the politics of fisheries management, and conservation issues? Do anglers not have a right to an opinion?

[Guest challenge]

Why is that Osprey? On a forum called ANGLERS NET (clue is in the title...) why should we not discuss the politics of fisheries management, and conservation issues? Do anglers not have a right to an opinion?

They certainly do, unfortunately there opinions don’t often match the opinions of there so called representatives who then try and push there own interests upon the powers that be under the disguise of representing millions of peoples opinions.

[Ken Davison South Wales]

I have not made comment on here recently, done a bit of reading but it is mostly ploughing up the same old field

 

However having read this thread I thought a bit of input was required so I could rest easy at night

 

Laws are laws, I hate a good few of them but if I break them and get caught I must be prepared to stand by my actions and pay the penalty.

 

Have we the right to report someone breaking the law, the answer is very simple YES.

 

Have we the right to debate conservation and politics on here the answer again is very simple YES.

 

One of my pet hates is people who criticise others for making the effort instead of getting off their backsides and putting their points of view to good use in the right places. Barrack room lawyers is the term I believe, all shout and very little action.

 

To be honest I am surprised anyone would want to defend someone who is clearly breaking the law however petty that law may seem.

 

I think the problem between RSAs and commercials was clearly summed up in this quote.

 

i totaly agree with you there because a few years ago in the summer occasionaly i would walk along the beach with my girl friend boorin her talkin to the anglers as we passed them and trying to help them out wit better spots to give them more of a chance of catchin better fish. i would help out the odd angler that had a boat with some of my own fishing spots and show them where to fish to be of some help but then i come across this site and realised what anglers thought of us and the things they say, funny thing is im still helpin out anglers with places to fish now and look what you all give back there shouldnt be a conservation/politics forum on this site it should just be talk on fishing new rigs and gear etc leave the proper politics for the fisherman to worry about and talk about because thats who its affecting not anglers.

 

A bit like my old man used to say "Do as I say not as I do" or "If you want to know whats best for you son I will tell you"

 

In retrospect I found his philosophy some what lacking as it contained far to many mistakes that he had made and wanted to pass onto me. This often arises when people have held the reins for far to long and have trodden a some what blinkered route.

 

Hi Wurzle How life treating you? Hope you enjoyed your Yule Tide holiday and have a good New Year.

 

Tell you what I feel much better already