Gods image.

[corydoras]

Didn't you consider peroxide/going blonde?...you would have had it cracked too

If I knew what how to ask for a bottle of peroxide in a Japanese pharmacy I'd have bought a bottle in a moment. I still have been an ugly bugger but blonde.

[mr motorola]

real life experience ''combined' with structured learning has to be a positive

Sorry , but i don't agree. Maybe 10 -20 years yes , but nowadays with so much crap on the agenda , ie health and safety , peoples welfare over anything that you can offer them, is ridiculous.

As a for instance....did anyone catch the TONIGHT episode on ITV a couple of weeks ago? Esther Rantzen openly admitting that she may have played a part in the political correctness that this country is now overwhelmed with. The episode was set up with a young child (actor) playing the part of a young child that was lost in a supermarket shopping centre , people went by , in their 100's , with not a single one stopping to ask if the child was OK. Inevitably there was the odd one or two normal folk who stopped to asked the child / actor if he was ok and notified security. After being filmed on cctv by the crew and asked by Esther , the walkers by and the very few who helped were asked by her why they took so long to assist the child and why almost all of them gave the child a glance and looked away , their answer was pretty much the same across the board. They didn't want to be seen as a kiddy snatcher / feeler. Ok Ok Ok , off topic i know , BUT , this sort of correctness is being instilled in pretty much all vocations that anyone tries to take these days.Children / health and safety...whatever.. Whether it be the above or something else , there will be something in the tutoring / mentoring of any vocation that throws the normal values of life out the window in an effort to cover your own ar5e in such an event whatever it maybe.

 

This is the cloud that now hangs over everything that misguides normal everyday folk from doing what they do best.

 

Sorry to have taken it OFF TOPIC and i will sit back to doing what i do best ,having a laugh at the posts.

[Emma two]

Sorry if that was misleading. I certainly wasn't meaning to imply that gay people are emotionally lacking. I was simply saying that God or nature has made men and women with different emotional and mental make-ups, and ideally children need both (in my view). I know I haven't anywhere near the mothering gifts of my wife.

 

But the discussion has moved on since that post, and others have made the same point in different ways, and you have attempted to answer them, so don't feel you need to answer this. Actually time pressure is making it hard for me to keep up with this post - but thanks for your contribution. Though I'd still be interested to hear of your spirituality which you mentioned!

 

While there may be some 'emotional and psychological differences between men and women (nature), I belive that socialisation and cultural expectations (nurture) have far more to do with what makes us men anr women. If it were purley a matter of nature then what it is to be a woman or a man would be an 'essential' and universal identity caross time and cultures, and that clearly isn't the case.

 

I will concede that a family unit with opposite sex parents can often provide a good basis for child rearing. However such cereal box families can also be places of oppression and abuse, I imagine that you will have had experience of such families in the course of your work?

 

For me, and speaking as a parent, I feel that the variables for good child rearing are love, emotional and material support, fairness and honesty, and those are more important than how many penises (or not) the parents have between them.

 

I will get onto my spirituailty whne things slow down here a bit.

Edited October 21, 2008 by Emma two

[corydoras]

Sorry to have taken it OFF TOPIC and i will sit back to doing what i do best ,having a laugh at the posts.

Mr M as youi know often we don't see eye to eye, but here is another of those exceptions where I mostly agree with you. Just last week I saw a little toddler walking tescos, bubbling his eyes out, obviosly lost and looking for mum or dad. 10 years ago I'd have taken his little mitt and taken him to the customer services desk, but not these days, no way.

 

Sadly if I had been over in France and it was Carreflour in Mondeville I'd have picked the little lad up in my arms and carried him to the caisse but not in today's England, no way. One difference between us is that I don't blame these attitudes on any PC brigade, more on the ignorant rednecks in this country who don't know the difference between a peadophile and a paediatrician.

 

It's the same in schools, in France a CM1 or CM2 (nursery, but you nursery until age of 6 in France) will happily, give cuddles, change nappies, wipe bums, put plasters on skint knees. A teacher in the same role in the UK would be scared to death to do the same, why is that?

Edited October 21, 2008 by corydoras

[Emma two]

Sorry , but i don't agree. Maybe 10 -20 years yes , but nowadays with so much crap on the agenda , ie health and safety , peoples welfare over anything that you can offer them, is ridiculous.

As a for instance....did anyone catch the TONIGHT episode on ITV a couple of weeks ago? Esther Rantzen openly admitting that she may have played a part in the political correctness that this country is now overwhelmed with. The episode was set up with a young child (actor) playing the part of a young child that was lost in a supermarket shopping centre , people went by , in their 100's , with not a single one stopping to ask if the child was OK. Inevitably there was the odd one or two normal folk who stopped to asked the child / actor if he was ok and notified security. After being filmed on cctv by the crew and asked by Esther , the walkers by and the very few who helped were asked by her why they took so long to assist the child and why almost all of them gave the child a glance and looked away , their answer was pretty much the same across the board. They didn't want to be seen as a kiddy snatcher / feeler. Ok Ok Ok , off topic i know , BUT , this sort of correctness is being instilled in pretty much all vocations that anyone tries to take these days.Children / health and safety...whatever.. Whether it be the above or something else , there will be something in the tutoring / mentoring of any vocation that throws the normal values of life out the window in an effort to cover your own ar5e in such an event whatever it maybe.

 

This is the cloud that now hangs over everything that misguides normal everyday folk from doing what they do best.

Sorry to have taken it OFF TOPIC and i will sit back to doing what i do best ,having a laugh at the posts.

 

Well it is way off topic, however it needs an answer, why do you think that people who have worked in 'real world' jobs for many years and then have gone on to higher education are responsible for over-zealous political corretness? The roots of the critique of PC are found amogst academics. Max Weber considered as one of the founding fathers of sociology predicted 'an Iron Cage of beaurocracy' in which advanced capitalist societies would become trapped in, and that was the 19th century!

Edited October 21, 2008 by Emma two

[mr motorola]

Sociology? Has that ever proven anything we don't already know? A sociologist> a job or a pay cheque for someone who wants a cushy lifestyle telling folk what is right and wrong in their life......... Oh no , please don't get me started , i'm busy reading and laughing :P

[corydoras]

Well it is way off topic, however it needs an answer, why do you think that people who have worked in 'real world' jobs for many years and then have gone on to higher education are responsible for over-zealous political corretness? The roots of the critique of PC are found amogst academics. Max Weber considered as one of the founding fathers of sociology predicted 'an Iron Cage of beaurocracy' in which advanced capitalist societies would become trapped in, and that was the 19th century!

I refuse to play ball with the PC brigade Emma. I'll be as politically incorrect as I can be under the circumstances, without being rude. If someone gets offended 'tant pis pour lui', nobody has the right to go through life without being offended from time to time.

[barry luxton]

I will concede that a family unit with opposite sex parents can often provide a good basis for child rearing. However such cereal box families can also be places of oppression and abuse, I imagine that you will have had experience of such families in the course of your work?

 

For me, and speaking as a parent, I feel that the variables for good child rearing are love, emotional and material support, fairness and honesty, and those are more important than how many penises (or not) the parents have between them.

As a cereal box family, 28 years this week, what i don't understand is the pc brigade expect the majority to accept that two willies in the family is not to be considered 'unusual' To me it ain't and it never will be, why am i expected to toe the line for fear of the law of the land, does that make me predudice, it won't make me change how i reason. Will that be the next crime.

[Emma two]

As a cereal box family, 28 years this week, what i don't understand is the pc brigade expect the majority to accept that two willies in the family is not to be considered 'unusual' To me it ain't and it never will be, why am i expected to toe the line for fear of the law of the land, does that make me predudice, it won't make me change how i reason. Will that be the next crime.

 

 

What line are you expected to toe that would make your life so bad? Fortunetely the law cannot yet look inside our heads, so we can harbour any thoughts we wish. What the law does require is that we do not physically or verbally attack others because of variables such as ethnicity, age, sexual orientation or gender. Now unless you feel that YOUR rights have been taken away from you being forbidden to do that I can't see what the problem is. No one is being asked to have same sex couples as friends against thier will, we are not even required to talk to them, however if we do chose to then it should not be in an abusive way. The sex lives of others, straight or gay, I consider as non of my business and really wonder some think that it is.

 

Of course same sex parents are unusual, even the most enthusiastic of activists would have difficulty in arguing against that, but is 'unusual' automatically 'bad'? what a society or culture considers to be 'normal' changes over time, for example 50 years ago it was unusual for a working class man to have a bank account, and even less likley that a woman would have one, now we consider it our unquestionable right.

When I started school only one of my friends patents had a car and we all walked, now people without access to private transport are 'unusual'. We have so many priviliges now, and yet there is still a need expressed by some to deny others theirs.

Edited October 22, 2008 by Emma two

[DavyR]

And guess what? Same-sex couples aren't even a recent phenomenon:

 

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/2rites.html