Seven Myths about Incapacity Benefit

[yoxer]

I was wondering if it was a frown or labotomy scar

[bluezulu]

I was wondering if it was a frown or labotomy scar

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[John S]

Yoxer, cool it down. We can do without your vitriol thank you very much.

[rob.imk2]

The fact still remains that figures and percentages can be manipulated and most people will not believe what this government says due to its form in the past .They will say anything to steer you clear of more pressing agendas It is an old trick but is still widely used by many governments As for pricing myself out my prices are quite reasonable

[Cranfield]

Its impossible to respond to this thread in disagreement with anything, as YakDiver has rather personalised it with his own sad circumstances.

I feel sorry for anyone who is genuinely incapacitated and the system probably doesn't help them enough, but lets not kid ourselves that there aren't quite a few fraudulent claimants in the system and I am afraid that this is no answer to that accusation.

 

"5. There are loads of people defrauding the system.

 

See above then insert a lot of emphatic swearing about what a total and utter pile of pants this is, even though it is widely believed and frequently implied by politicians on both sides of the House. It is just not true. "

[Guest Brumagem Phil]

Brilliiant post yakdiver!!!

[Guest Rabbit]

Right hands up who actually believe all of that? Yes some good points but please dont tell the folk who actually TRY and do something about their circumstances and not depend on the state to support them for the rest of their lives. Proof of benefit cheats are all around us and yet when it really gets tough for those that work we have to work harder and longer. Apart from the obvious feeling that by doing so we feel better about ourselves it also helps make ends meet.

There is no doubt that a lot of families are defrauding the system and we need to find a better way of supporting the ones who actually need financial help, and not the cheats that are turning this country into a welfare haven.

I and many others like me had to reinvent ourselves to keep in work, I used to go to work in a suit and drive a company car but circumstances change and I know go to work in a van and will do anything to try and survive.

Dont get me wrong I am not complaining but who said life was easy? But tell me what is fulfilling about not working and just waiting for the benefit cheque each week for those who know they are able to work.

Yes we need a safety net for those who are genuine 100% ,but the rest get a life and get a job.

[Slack lines]

A very good post by YakDiver, but posted more from the heart than being wholly factual. There will never be a way to stop some people trying to defraud a system, no matter what is tried, also the government will always come out with mythical/magical figures to suit themselves, whenever they drop down in the polls.

[Peter M]

of course Rabbbit is right there where people are defrauding the system they should be rooted out. But as someone who assess people for nhs funded continuing care it is not the name of the illness that people have that is important. what is looked at is how intense predictable and complex the condition is that is important. someone with a stable condition has a better chance of working than someone with an unstable condition, even if the stable condition is more severe. We have a very senior manager who is paralysed from the waist and in a wheel chair. Because his condition is stable it is easier to plan for his rehabilitation back into work. Plus the nature of his job is mental rather than physical he can work. It is much harder for a plasterer who develops MS or epilepsy where there is progression and/or unpredictability and their job is more physical . You really have to treat each case on its merits rather than make sweeping generalisations about certain mis-understood conditions.

[Bonzo]

There is work that anyone can do, you only have to look at some of the people that have severe disabilty issues to see this.

My late brother in law had a stoke some years back but in the time before his death he was bringing in money to the house by making garden furniture and such like,with only one good hand i might add this gave him purpose and i believe pride during his short lived life.

 

There are very good schemes to get people back into work after accidents and illness if people could be bothered to look.

Its not a perfect system but its there if you look.