E U. Should we stay or should we leave.

[chesters1]

  On 11/5/2019 at 6:04 PM, big_cod said:

Fact check if want not believe the governments lies that upto you its your choice but not mine was brexit a lie were the British people lied to how easy it was another lie do you want me to go on ..

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50300551

I dont need other peoples opinions to form my own and that includes anything parliament says

And the buffoon puts in a link to a media source he has already told us lie

Edited November 5, 2019 by chesters1

[big_cod]

  On 11/5/2019 at 6:11 PM, chesters1 said:

I dont need other peoples opinions to form my own and that includes anything parliament says

And the buffoon puts in a link to a media source he has already told us lie

And yours are all truths no Chesters.you just make them up you go along its great to think your right on everything but very often its far from the truth but there is always the back of a crisp packet Edited November 5, 2019 by big_cod

[chesters1]

  On 11/5/2019 at 8:19 PM, big_cod said:

And yours are all truths no Chesters.you just make them up you go along its great to think your right on everything but very often its far from the truth but there is always the back of a crisp packet

I dont care if i am right or wrong i make my own desisions using my own judgement not some opinion from the local rag based on hearsay from someone elses opinion,do you need me to post some vague link so you believe me?

Edited November 6, 2019 by chesters1

[big_cod]

  On 11/6/2019 at 6:36 AM, chesters1 said:

I dont care if i am right or wrong i make my own desisions using my own judgement not some opinion from the local rag based on hearsay from someone elses opinion,do you need me to post some vague link so you believe me?

So you actually admit you make it up as you go along And aren't your comments just hearsay then you dont believe anybody elses comments so why should anybody believe yours not that they do Works both ways Chesters you cant be expert on everything even if you think you are when in reality your not .

Edited November 6, 2019 by big_cod

[big_cod]

Where is Lord Lucan anybody seen him . watch kate burley .

 

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/kay-burley-blasts-empty-chair-after-accusing-james-cleverly-of-sky-news-interview-noshow-a4279916.html

Edited November 6, 2019 by big_cod

[Anderoo]

The thing with facts is that they're true whether you believe them or not.

 

It is really sad to see so many people radicalised to the point where they actually want to be lied to so they can continue to buy into the grift.

 

I wonder if anyone can answer me this, as I don't think I'm going to get an answer to a post-brexit immigration strategy (which is weird, right? why not...?). What is brexit today?

 

1. Teresa May's negotiated agreement + future trade discussions

2. Boris Johnson's negotiated agreement + future trade discussions/possible WTO exit next year

3. Nigel Farage's WTO exit

4. Labour's customs union + close single market alignment

5. Other?

 

Or is the line still that 17.4 million people knew exactly what they voted for, and if so, which one of the above is the true brexit that you can all agree on?

[gozzer]

Here you go Andrew I'll play your game, but with me being a Northern, knuckle dragging, leave voter, I'll probably make a mistake if I attempt to explain, so I'll just provide a couple of links. Enjoy.

 

https://www.businessiqnortheast.co.uk/news/17980022.explainer-difference-johnsons-brexit-deal-mays-deal/

 

and the change to the 'problem of the 'back stop'

 

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/revised_withdrawal_agreement_including_protocol_on_ireland_and_nothern_ireland.pdf

 

As to your comment about facts being "true whether you believe them or not" comment.

'Facts' in a hypothetical stuation, although they might be true, are open to interpretation, depending on how they are presented, by whom, and the amount of bias the listener/reader applies to them.

There's ample evidence of this online, and in the media.

 

John.

[Phone]

All,

 

While I tend to support Anderoo's position (maybe) but in Gozzer's defence, he acquiesces to "hypothetical facts". Grammatically, the term is a noun formed from an adjective, an IMPOSSIBILITY because it refers to the members of a class of hypothetical things.

 

Having said that, from a "remainer" standpoint it seems to boil down to, "Should we hold the people accountable for their mistakes?" Understanding, predicting, and modulating human performance in any complex setting requires a detailed understanding of both the setting and the factors that influence performance.

 

In the history of the world the “culture of blame” has never worked - NOT ONCE!

 

BREXIT = Yes,People should be accountable for their mistakes. They should accept the mistakes, we've made or bed not we must sleep in it.

Remainers = Errors are for learning so an error tolerant and learning culture is important to develop a civil society.

BREXIT or remain has lost sight of the intended purpose (which was never stated in the question the voters were presented with). From a media perspective the purpose was immigration was the perceived single most important issue (66% of the time). No question - if BREXIT is a mistake it is because the purpose was not fairly presented.

Phone

My 26,308th last post.

EDIT: for clarity I consider a huge difference between a "mistake" and an "error". Mistakes are intentional.

Edited November 6, 2019 by Phone

[big_cod]

Boris liar liar bums on fire he just cant stop lying.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-boris-johnson-theresa-may-european-commission-general-election-a9187691.html

Edited November 6, 2019 by big_cod

[gozzer]

Phone, notice I put inverted commas around the word 'facts'. Many of the statements quoted as 'facts', about our future outside the EU, are at best opinions, some based on probabilities, some on pure bias. It's never happened before, so all we have is speculation.

I should have put that the 'facts' might turnout to be true, instead of just, might be true.

 

John.