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Posted 10 January 2012 - 08:55 AM

Vagabond i believe it is supposed to be on Coniston water and yes my guess is Youngster or injured one released and used to humans,The ones i have seen localy or Scotland have all skidadled the second they made me but this one didn`t seem bothered by the cameraman at all .

I think a point to remember here is that the cameraman was also an Angler, something the Otter would see on a regular basis and would therefore more confident around.
But then again there would be Otter that will be bolder than others and can only draw upon their own local experiences as to how the respond to humans.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 09:30 AM

Prophetic words? :rolleyes:


Or maybe I just have a sense of perspective and catching fish is not the be all and end all of going fishing for me.

Anyway I like Otters unlike Rabbits which are vermin.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 09:55 AM

I've had a big dog otter lollop past me on the banks of the Windrush at dusk, apparently not at all bothered about my presence. He was a very welcome sight - with him around the non-native mink will bugger off and leave the rest of the native wildlife, like the watervoles and coots, in peace.

We should really trawl the forums and media archives for the sensationalist posts 5 years ago where there were loads of doom-mongering about there being no fish left in 5 years. I saw that otter about 5 years ago, and (amazingly) there are still fish in the river.

I saw one at the back-end of last season too, on the Thames, again at dusk. Shortly after I caught my PB chub.

They are native predators and have been here for 30 million years, with a very brief dip in numbers over the last 30 years. I think if they were going to eat all the fish they'd have managed it by now :rolleyes:

Edited by Anderoo, 10 January 2012 - 09:56 AM.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 10:02 AM

Apparently there was a BBC South West programme on last night where Anglers were bemoaning the presence of otters in their fisheries.

I only caught the end of the item on the news but remember thinking that this it might be a huge mistake broadcasting Anglers v Cuddly Otters. Canít seem to find it on iplayer though (might have been a One Show type programme), did anyone see it?
It's never a 'six', let's put it back

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 10:08 AM

Oh dear.

There are little unofficial groups popping up run by riled carpers who are blind to the big picture, and they (and foolhardy media appearances like Rusty's example) will drag us all down with them. This is my 'favourite' so far: http://www.cemexangl...=defence league

That's what we're up against...
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 10:18 AM

lol I wouldnt be too worried. The guy who is organising the Carp Defence League or whatever it is called can't even use english. It is predation not preditation. I doubt many would take him seriously. :P

On a more serious not however I am sure that the overwhelming majority of anglers would stand up in favour of the otter if needed to to protect the public face of our sport and not just to save face but because they agree that they have as much right as us if not more to be there.

Any angler worth his salt would be well aware that it is us who are the guests on the banks and not the native creatures.

The carp lot are just getting their knickers in a twist because pisswings could get gobbled up as he has become too fat and lethargic to evade an otter. Imagine all the funeral pyres springing up around the country at various commercials as one by one the likes of pisswings, two tone and company get swallowed up my a plague of carp hungry otter! What a shame that would be :D

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 10:20 AM

Vagabond i believe it is supposed to be on Coniston water



The flat slaty pebbles underfoot are absolutely consistent with the western shore of Coniston - I became familiar with them after several charr expeditions. :rolleyes:


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Posted 10 January 2012 - 10:36 AM

lol I wouldnt be too worried. The guy who is organising the Carp Defence League or whatever it is called can't even use english. It is predation not preditation. I doubt many would take him seriously. :P

On a more serious not however I am sure that the overwhelming majority of anglers would stand up in favour of the otter if needed to to protect the public face of our sport and not just to save face but because they agree that they have as much right as us if not more to be there.

Any angler worth his salt would be well aware that it is us who are the guests on the banks and not the native creatures.

The carp lot are just getting their knickers in a twist because pisswings could get gobbled up as he has become too fat and lethargic to evade an otter. Imagine all the funeral pyres springing up around the country at various commercials as one by one the likes of pisswings, two tone and company get swallowed up my a plague of carp hungry otter! What a shame that would be :D


I hope you're right, but I really think we are in a shrinking minority. I think most anglers (and angling 'celebs' and angling media) now would happily see otters wiped off the face of the earth.

'Angling' is now basically carp fishing, oddballs like us are just being dragged along in their dust.
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 10:39 AM

you know what?
its truly awesome to see so many positve posts here about the otter!
im a fisherman, i wildfowl, i rough shoot etc but at the same time i love nature in all its glory...and it really annoys me when i sit in my clubs comittee meetings and listen to the crap a couple of the guys come out with about shooting otters, drowing them..whatever
same with cormorants (which the club has just recieved a licence to cull)
its great to see fellow fishermen looking at this from the eyes of being honoured to see such amazing creatures up close and personal! i know it would make my day; my week or month in fact!
i know not everyone see it the same..even so..nice to see im not alone in my thoughts

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 10:47 AM

you know what?
its truly awesome to see so many positve posts here about the otter!
im a fisherman, i wildfowl, i rough shoot etc but at the same time i love nature in all its glory...and it really annoys me when i sit in my clubs comittee meetings and listen to the crap a couple of the guys come out with about shooting otters, drowing them..whatever
same with cormorants (which the club has just recieved a licence to cull)
its great to see fellow fishermen looking at this from the eyes of being honoured to see such amazing creatures up close and personal! i know it would make my day; my week or month in fact!
i know not everyone see it the same..even so..nice to see im not alone in my thoughts


I think it's because AN has a high proportion of 'all-rounder' anglers who can see the bigger picture. The single-species forums - especially carp and to a slightly lesser extent barbel - don't have that perspective. But they do have by far the loudest voices and the largest numbers. And the media and celebs need to align themselves with the biggest market.
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