sick to the back teeth

[Guest Brumagem Phil]

Hi all

 

i agree with phil many types of disabilitys you cannot see but that doesnt mean your good to go!!!

 

videoing people is below the belt without facts and its wrong to not read the whole book before doing it but i do agree there are some that are fiddling but weeding them out is harder than just thinking "he looks ok" thus why our system is in such a state!

 

besides most are wearing gold chains and selling weed from thier houses and begins with c and ends with an s but far from me to be judgemental just my opinion:)

 

but back to broon:)i agree he makes my skin crawl too:)

 

he should have stayed in the postion he was in as he seemed to be competant at that at least!

 

i bet labour wins though!!(cannot see how but a hunch its gonna be a fix of momentous proportions.......

 

oh and yep i know history!!!!!! but you can hope for anything better when this country is in such a crap state:and getting rid of the church is a grand idea along with the wierdos who pray in it!

 

Blimey, benefit cheats, government incompetence, rigged elections, drug dealers, dodgy vicars and oddbods who go to church..........you really have a bee in your bonnet today don't you mate!

[barry luxton]

I'm shocked and saddened that the country has come to this.....snooping and spying on each other.

 

 

Peeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrlllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssse Phil, nothing that us ordinaries do can compare with the snooping and spying the local authorities are upto. Our local authority have run out of signposts to hang the latest speed camera signs that also double up for mobile video camera signs, to catch us doing various mis-doings so that they can issue you with a penalty notice. Our towns are also surrounded by fixed anpr cameras to log your journey in and out.

 

We will be having dustbin snoopers next, can't get much lower can you?

 

Haven't mentioned the fixed speed camera's that can clock you at any time, day or night, even if you are the only person on the road.

[Steve Walker]

That sounds like a good idea to me. I think this is already the situation north of the border.

 

The plan isn't to remove violent partners, it is to remove partners after any allegation of violence is made.

 

I don't know quite what to think of it. I've no sympathy for wife beaters (or husband beaters or civil partner beaters for that matter) and would be generally in favour of measures to protect those who are victims of domestic violence, but I'm also wary of the extent to which this administration has undermined the concept of the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

[gozzer]

The plan isn't to remove violent partners, it is to remove partners after any allegation of violence is made.

 

I don't know quite what to think of it. I've no sympathy for wife beaters (or husband beaters or civil partner beaters for that matter) and would be generally in favour of measures to protect those who are victims of domestic violence, but I'm also wary of the extent to which this administration has undermined the concept of the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

 

Do we still have that Steve? From the some of the posts on here, it seems not!

 

John.

[Steve Walker]

Do we still have that Steve? From the some of the posts on here, it seems not!

 

In criminal law we still have it - all Den has done is to provide evidence, it is up to the courts to interpret whether the guy is claiming fraudulently. It could well be that he has a disability which allows him to push a carp barrow round a lake and spend the day fishing but which makes him unable to work on the checkout at Tesco.

 

What framework the DSS use to determine whether someone is still entitled to their benefits - whether they use the "balance of probabilities" approach that would be used in a civil dispute, the "innocent until proven guilty" approach of criminal law or the "prove you're not a terrorist/paedophile/tax evader/etc" approach of recent government - I don't know. I do know that of the people I know who have applied for benefits for disability, the success or failure of the claim seems to have more to do with their ability to represent themselves to the DSS staff and to pursue the claim through the system than their degree of impairment. The person who was least able to work was least able to deal with the stress of dealing with the system.

[Guest Brumagem Phil]

I do know that of the people I know who have applied for benefits for disability, the success or failure of the claim seems to have more to do with their ability to represent themselves to the DSS staff and to pursue the claim through the system than their degree of impairment. The person who was least able to work was least able to deal with the stress of dealing with the system.

 

One of the best remarks i've seen on the subject for some time.

 

The other thing is how poorly the system is at actually helping people and in many cases actively penalises people for trying to help themselves. The idea of a social framework of course is excellent, but the implementation of it leaves a lot to be desired.

[ColinW]

I don't quite understand how sending in a video of a claimant humping a wheelbarrow of tackle around amounts to "acting as judge jury and executioner". Surely it is merely providing evidence upon which the benefits agency can decide whether there is a case to answer? It is up to them to take it further.

[Ken L]

What framework the DSS use to determine whether someone is still entitled to their benefits - whether they use the "balance of probabilities" approach that would be used in a civil dispute, the "innocent until proven guilty" approach of criminal law

 

Medical guidance for decision makers relating to a bad back http://www.dwp.gov.uk/publications/special...e-and-mobility/

 

For DLA mobility component (Higher rate), the law requires that a recipient should be either unable or virtually unable to walk "most of the time".

This test relates to walking on level ground whilst using any medication that might be appropriate and any walking aids that are recomended.

[Guest Brumagem Phil]

I don't quite understand how sending in a video of a claimant humping a wheelbarrow of tackle around amounts to "acting as judge jury and executioner". Surely it is merely providing evidence upon which the benefits agency can decide whether there is a case to answer? It is up to them to take it further.

 

I wasn't referring to just dens remarks colin.

 

But as you mention them, I'll comment on them directly. I believe what den did was wrong. He has made an assumption about someone based solely on a tiny portion of that persons life and then caused trouble for him. The bloke will already have been signed off by a doctor and will have to undergo periodic examinations by DSS appointed doctors, but now he is likely to have his claim stopped and face going through it all again just because den thinks the bloke shouldnt go fishing with a bad back.

 

Don't misunderstand me, people do take the pee and if this bloke was running a roofing business then I'm all for reporting him, but den has just assumed the bloke is guilty and so will the DSS. He'll then have a fight on his hands to get his claim reinstated.

[Sportsman]

I wasn't referring to just dens remarks colin.

 

But as you mention them, I'll comment on them directly. I believe what den did was wrong. He has made an assumption about someone based solely on a tiny portion of that persons life and then caused trouble for him. The bloke will already have been signed off by a doctor and will have to undergo periodic examinations by DSS appointed doctors, but now he is likely to have his claim stopped and face going through it all again just because den thinks the bloke shouldnt go fishing with a bad back.

 

Don't misunderstand me, people do take the pee and if this bloke was running a roofing business then I'm all for reporting him, but den has just assumed the bloke is guilty and so will the DSS. He'll then have a fight on his hands to get his claim reinstated.

 

Exactly

Unfortunately he didn't get a video of him laying on the floor crying after going fishing, or taking his frustrations out on his wife and kids (again) or taking more painkillers than he knows is good for him just so that he can do things that most people don't have to think about, but take for granted.

Edited September 30, 2009 by Sportsman