NHS TO BE NO MORE

[flapper]

I did not blame Labour for the world recession but I do blame the way Mr Brown handled it from the UK point of view. Also why is it all you lefties keep using the world recession to hide your parties failings which we all know about, some sort of denial syndrome perhaps.

 

Tight lines Bob

Unlike your party who blame the weather for there failings

Hope you had a good weekends fishing.

Flapper.

[Bob Shotter]

Unlike your party who blame the weather for there failings

Hope you had a good weekends fishing.

Flapper.

 

Due to an error my posting of yesterday appeared to come from Barry sorry about that.

The fishing on Day one was sport on The bit between day one and day two was a disaster as a result there was no day two.

 

We all know the UK folds under a little snow and there is no money to fix it sorry about that.

 

Here in Cornwall not only do we see the early signs of spring with the daffodils making a show but every where you go there seems to be building particularly commercial so the signs of recovery look good.

 

As for nationalisation it has always failed and always will, example Sainsbury’s built a new store (Helston) inc major road improvements with new roundabout etc all done in less than six months. Meanwhile a roundabout improvement on the near by A30 now nine months in and no where near finished.

 

Flapper old mate I challenge you to give me an example of where nationalisation has ever out performed the private sector.

 

Tight lines Bob

[flapper]

Due to an error my posting of yesterday appeared to come from Barry sorry about that.

The fishing on Day one was sport on The bit between day one and day two was a disaster as a result there was no day two.

 

We all know the UK folds under a little snow and there is no money to fix it sorry about that.

 

Here in Cornwall not only do we see the early signs of spring with the daffodils making a show but every where you go there seems to be building particularly commercial so the signs of recovery look good.

 

As for nationalisation it has always failed and always will, example Sainsbury’s built a new store (Helston) inc major road improvements with new roundabout etc all done in less than six months. Meanwhile a roundabout improvement on the near by A30 now nine months in and no where near finished.

 

Flapper old mate I challenge you to give me an example of where nationalisation has ever out performed the private sector.

 

Tight lines Bob

Depends weather you count your success as for the good of the people or for the good of a few.

Then of course it depends on what and why you nationalise things.

Like when Thatcher nationalised the water industry. Before that it belonged to the local council ratepayers, but it was taken into government ownership so that it could be sold off to her friends in the City.

Or does nationalisation include that the UK government provided guarantees for the construction of the whole UK side of the Euro tunnel and the track to Waterloo and now St Pancras. That the UK government owns around 95% of London Continental Railways means that the project is infact being carried out by a state owned enterprise and thus this is a nationalised industry by any definition.

China seams to be getting along quite well with there nationalised industries, so well infact that they now own to thirds of Americas debt and are by far the fastest and arguably the strongest economy in the world.

Sorry about your fishing.

Flapper

[big_cod]

3 out of 4 doctors say these reforms are wrong even the health secretary sister doesnt believe him as edd said you cant trust the tories on the NHS only 27% of people think the changes are right 75% of doctors think its wrong but mr cameron thinks its right so when was he a doctor PRIVATIZATION the torys have an obsession with it.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/video/2...questions-video

 

paul.

Edited February 1, 2011 by big_cod

[flapper]

The government are making bogus claims and rushing their reforms through.

 

They say they want to cut out bureaucracy, but in reality, at just five percent, NHS admin costs are among the lowest in the developed world. They claim the NHS is failing. Yet health experts say the NHS is as good if not better than the rest of the world.

 

All this will be thrown away if these reforms dismantle the NHS to be replaced by profit-driven health care multinationals.

 

This Bill gives license to profit-driven companies to send NHS patients to the back of the queue and will ultimately see the inflated rewards for the private health care companies that we see at the top end of banking.

 

The government reforms will let the market tear apart the NHS. The ethos behind the NHS will disappear.

There is not a shred of evidence to prove reforms will improve the health of a single patient. We can't stand for that.

 

And the majority of GPs don't want these reforms - they want to treat patients. But the government is refusing to listen.

[barry luxton]

The government are making bogus claims and rushing their reforms through.

 

They say they want to cut out bureaucracy, but in reality, at just five percent, NHS admin costs are among the lowest in the developed world. They claim the NHS is failing. Yet health experts say the NHS is as good if not better than the rest of the world.

 

All this will be thrown away if these reforms dismantle the NHS to be replaced by profit-driven health care multinationals.

 

This Bill gives license to profit-driven companies to send NHS patients to the back of the queue and will ultimately see the inflated rewards for the private health care companies that we see at the top end of banking.

 

The government reforms will let the market tear apart the NHS. The ethos behind the NHS will disappear.

There is not a shred of evidence to prove reforms will improve the health of a single patient. We can't stand for that.

 

And the majority of GPs don't want these reforms - they want to treat patients. But the government is refusing to listen.

 

No, the gist of the proposal is to remove the primary care trust level of management and give control to the doctors. I.e. a patient goes to the doctor, he diagnoses then refers the patient onto where they will get best treatment. Whats wrong with that? The doctor already knows what and where regarding best for the patient in any event. Sounds a bit different from decimating the nhs, as we know it.

[big_cod]

No, the gist of the proposal is to remove the primary care trust level of management and give control to the doctors. I.e. a patient goes to the doctor, he diagnoses then refers the patient onto where they will get best treatment. Whats wrong with that? The doctor already knows what and where regarding best for the patient in any event. Sounds a bit different from decimating the nhs, as we know it.

 

 

Barry 3 out of 4 doctors dont want it thats only 25% in favour against 75% against isnt that telling you something the 25% are probably hard torys like dick of an mp we have here in whitby and district if the goverment said jump off the cliff they would.

 

paul.

[big_cod]

This is what you have to do when you know it isnt right with what you are doing.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/2011...15875-22926253/

 

paul.

[Sportsman]

This is the reality of the NHS that you think is the envy of the world

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12464831

[big_cod]

This is the reality of the NHS that you think is the envy of the world

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12464831

 

And how many elderly patients do they treat and what is the percentage there is a lot of nurses who will be totally dejected by whats being said in the press overall the NHS is fantastic do want it like america yes or no where they will leave you in the street if you cant pay do you want that because if the mr cameron gets his way that would just how it would be did not see the doctor in the link saying what he is doing is wrong and she is tory mp is that telling something like she said the proffesion has lost confidence in this goverment especially mr cameron have another look and read it slowly.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/2011...15875-22926253/

 

 

paul.

Edited February 16, 2011 by big_cod