NHS TO BE NO MORE

[corydoras]

countrys all round the world envy what we have here.

Why do you think that? Do you think your average Pierre LeClerc, living in a toer-block in some HLM in France is envious of our NHS? Your having a laugh mate. Do you think he would swap a system that has no waiting lists; that permits him to go to ANY doctor's surgery for a consultation, that gives him a FREE pare of specs every year, including fancy frames for the shambles that we have? Edited February 20, 2011 by corydoras

[corydoras]

yes their bowl of rice, know no better people who are forced to put up with it or get locked up.

That's a myth, when I was a nipper they used to say the same about Japan and Taiwan. Food is dirt cheap in China.

[n4lly]

My point was that some things don’t need to make a profit Barry.

Everything should not be targeted at making a profit…

Flapper.

 

Eh ? Profit makes the world turn round.

[flapper]

Eh ? Profit makes the world turn round.

 

Academic economists, do not like economic crises and depressions because it goes against the deeply held but flawed belief that the market is harmonious and self-adjusting. They use the anaemic word “recession” rather than “depression” to give the false impression that capitalism will never return to the 1930’s unemployment which so disfigured a generation of workers.

Yet at the end of September 2008, after the collapse of Lehman Brothers, the nationalisation in the US of AIG by a Republican administration and the problems of HBOS in Britain the word “depression” had taken over the headlines as we were told by media pundits that a return to the 1930’s was on the cards. A poll of workers in the US believed a depression was immanent. The world economy is entering a major downturn in the biggest financial crisis since the 1930s, said the International Monetary Fund (IMF) (CNN 8th 10 2008)

THE DAILY MAIL was also anxious about the political consequences of the Crisis. They had a middle page spread written by Richard Branson entitled “In Defence of Capitalism” in which Branson tried to give a defence of a system he clearly did not understand but only got rich from. A few days later in the paper the food critic and film director Michael Winner said that he had absolute faith in capitalism. It is doubtful if his faith will remain when his broker tells him his financial portfolio is now worthless. Faith cannot buy food at smart restaurants particularly when many are now shutting down. Many of the smart restaurants visited by Michael Winner around the City are no longer there. During the last depression many a trendy restaurant went back to being a sandwich bar or charity shop. So does it make the world go round.

flapper

[barry luxton]

My point was that some things don’t need to make a profit Barry.

Everything should not be targeted at making a profit…

Flapper.

 

Tell me was that the last admins ethos then, because that certainly appears to be the case. However, how do you survive making a loss as they had demonstrated. Hang on, darling was correct with his quantative easing, after everything else had been flushed down the pan?

 

and quote you: Academic economists, do not like economic crises and depressions

 

Was that the prerequisite for browns boom and bust speech.

 

 

 

You mentioned previously that you were going to attend some lifeboat meeting up the north east. Where you from?

[Alan Stubbs]

People have overlooked the founding dictum that the NHS was to be 'free at the point of delivery'. It hasn't been for 34 years - the charges were introduced in 1976 in response to our having to go cap in hand to the IMF to bail us out after the then government seriously mismanaged the economy.

 

The Prime Minister at the time was later Lord Wilson of the Rievaulx, who was MP for Huyton and erm, how do I say this withoutseeming to gloat... a labour PM.

 

So you can't dump the changes on ConDem - nation as being the 'end of the NHS'

[barry luxton]

People have overlooked the founding dictum that the NHS was to be 'free at the point of delivery'. It hasn't been for 34 years - the charges were introduced in 1976 in response to our having to go cap in hand to the IMF to bail us out after the then government seriously mismanaged the economy.

 

The Prime Minister at the time was later Lord Wilson of the Rievaulx, who was MP for Huyton and erm, how do I say this withoutseeming to gloat... a labour PM.

 

So you can't dump the changes on ConDem - nation as being the 'end of the NHS'

 

 

Surly not Alan, i thought this was the low part of when labour last tried to exert it's wisdom upon us, how many years did it take to recover from that one.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent

 

Like this bit where the government at the time was loosing the inflation battle, yet big cod trying to make out that cameron and co are the nasty ones because inflation figure is 4%

 

quote:

The Labour governments of Harold Wilson and James Callaghan had been fighting for several years against inflation, which had peaked at 26.9% in the year to August 1975,

 

Ahh, your right Alan, your post was the catalyst of the down fall of the government of the day, the unions helped it a couple of years later.

 

Prior to the "Winter of Discontent", the Callaghan government had sought (in 1976) an International Monetary Fund loan of £2.3bn[6] to combat the rampant inflation at that time. This was perceived as marking a key moment in the country's post-war economic decline and helped pave the way for Margaret Thatcher's 1979 general election victory.

Edited February 20, 2011 by barry luxton

[big_cod]

Sounds like it is all happening again margeret got away with it but this time lets just wait and see no ronald regan and no oil revenue this time .

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...is-2171788.html

Edited February 20, 2011 by big_cod

[barry luxton]

Sounds like it is all happening again margeret got away with it but this time lets just wait and see no ronald regan and no oil revenue this time .

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...is-2171788.html

 

 

hoping that davids got a pair of gonads to carry it out, sure as eggs are eggs, continuation with the last lot would have meant the end of uk ltd. Mind you the last lot didn't have the help of the Unions to trash it, even though they had done a pretty good job without.

 

The only thing that darling had left in the armory was to print the stuff as every thing had been sold, robbed, squandered, and sure as eggs are eggs he didn't want to use that horrible option called cuts. Unheard of in the last admins vocabulary.

 

The word that i heard brown use when he was chancellor during his budjet speeches was 'prudence' shame he didn't know the meaning of it.

Edited February 21, 2011 by barry luxton

[chesters1]

trouble is history repeats its self the cons will get the country on its feet again ,the voters will rebel at the cost of doing so and labour will be voted in again to ruin it .

 

the NHS hasnt been the NHS for decades ,the cleaning side is private ,the food side is private ,most of the large machines are private (MRI scanners etc) the maintenance side is private and half the staff is from private supply companies hell even the surgeons and consultants are private who get a nice fee to pop into the NHS hospital to do a bit of part time work on occasion

even the parking fees most go to private firms.

it probably costs us double at least than if it were government run fully ,the managers still are there but all they manage is arranging their pencils the job they are employed for is farmed out to private companies who do the managing

Edited February 21, 2011 by chesters1