NHS TO BE NO MORE

[Sportsman]

And how many elderly patients do they treat and what is the percentage there is a lot of nurses who will be totally dejected by whats being said in the press overall the NHS is fantastic do want it like america yes or no where they will leave you in the street if you cant pay do you want that because if the mr cameron gets his way that would just how it would be did not see the doctor in the link saying what he is doing is wrong and she is a bleeding tory mp is that telling something or cant you see the wood for the trees or dont want to like she said the proffesion has lost confidence in this goverment especially mr cameron have another look and read it slowly.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/2011...15875-22926253/

 

 

paul.

 

Yes, there will be many nurses who are upset by what is being said. I hope that there are many that will hang their heads in shame as well.

The treatment that many patients get in NHS hospitals is nowhere near as good as it could be or should be and a lot of this is down to a lack of basic nursing care.

The worst thing that happened to nursing was when it was made a "degree" course (guess whose bright idea that was )

Now the wards are staffed by graduates who are not interested in the basic care of patients and who have not had sufficient bed side training during their course to understand what is required.

Back in 2000 I was in hospital for a month, on enforced bed rest for most of that time and to be honest, if I hadn't made a fuss and demanded things I would have been in trouble.

I qualified as a State Registered Nurse over 40 years ago and worked as a Charge Nurse, in charge of wards. Many of todays nurses would not have come up to the standards required then, some I would have sacked.

Edited February 16, 2011 by Sportsman

[big_cod]

Yes, there will be many nurses who are upset by what is being said. I hope that there are many that will hang their heads in shame as well.

The treatment that many patients get in NHS hospitals is nowhere near as good as it could be or should be and a lot of this is down to a lack of basic nursing care.

The worst thing that happened to nursing was when it was made a "degree" course (guess whose bright idea that was )

Now the wards are staffed by graduates who are not interested in the basic care of patients and who have not had sufficient bed side training during their course to understand what is required.

Back in 2000 I was in hospital for a month, on enforced bed rest for most of that time and to be honest, if I hadn't made a fuss and demanded things I would have been in trouble.

I qualified as a State Registered Nurse over 40 years ago and worked as a Charge Nurse, in charge of wards. Many of todays nurses would not have come up to the standards required then, some I would have sacked.

 

If am i not mistaken with this report and it was stressed it was more the lack of nurses rather than the lack of care in other words to much work load and not enough nurses i might be wrong but is that not the case.

 

paul.

[barry luxton]

Indeed, that appears to be the problem big cod and david is trying to address with his plan to cut out surplus management Too many cowboys, not enough Indians. In particular with the report out this week describing appalling treatment of the elderly. Not on Cameron's watch i hasten to add. They will also have to keep a keen eye on flareups of c-diff and mrsa that were rampant on the last admins watch. The nhs was safe in their hands, yer right. Chickens and roost spring to mind.

[big_cod]

Indeed, that appears to be the problem big cod and david is trying to address with his plan to cut out surplus management Too many cowboys, not enough Indians. In particular with the report out this week describing appalling treatment of the elderly. Not on Cameron's watch i hasten to add. They will also have to keep a keen eye on flareups of c-diff and mrsa that were rampant on the last admins watch. The nhs was safe in their hands, yer right. Chickens and roost spring to mind.

 

 

Do you really beleive that barry cameron will only do harm why has the proffesion lost confidence with him beacuse he thinks he is like thatcher his icon and it will be his downfall the majority of people in this country are losing confidence in him fast also the 2.5% increase in vat is going to do him it is fueling inflation interest rates go up a lot of people will out on the streets thet cant make ends meet now he has made a massive mistake but for his own ego and pig headedness he thinks he aint the man for turning he probably hasnt had a good kick up the backside but for sure he is going to get one he is on selfdestruct mode his mate george osborn will go the same way this country is in for one hell of a year or two or three if he lasts that long its a good job he has the right wing press on his side but they will turn on him as well when he is a lame duck.

 

paul.

Edited February 17, 2011 by big_cod

[barry luxton]

Mornin big cod, tell me without blinkers on who was responsible for an over inflated nhs who couldn't look after the elderly, i.e. front line services, putting the money where it's needed as opposed to management for the managers, and who developed the dirtiest, dangerous hospitals for the sick to visit. What were the managers managing at that time. They even had to sack one chief exec in our part of the woods as she was more interested in figures than people who where getting killed because of dirty wards. Thats what i called broke.

 

Bet davids new cat thinks it's fallen on it's feet.

Edited February 17, 2011 by barry luxton

[big_cod]

Mornin big cod, tell me without blinkers on who was responsible for an over inflated nhs who couldn't look after the elderly, i.e. front line services, putting the money where it's needed as opposed to management for the managers, and who developed the dirtiest, dangerous hospitals for the sick to visit. What were the managers managing at that time. They even had to sack one chief exec in our part of the woods as she was more interested in figures than people who where getting killed because of dirty wards. Thats what i called broke.

 

Bet davids new cat thinks it's fallen on it's feet.

 

 

Nothing is perfect barry we had the same problem here at scarborugh hospital but just up the road james cook a fantastcil hospital that is purely down to bad mangement which you get in all walks of life its the mangement that needs replacing not the hospital if james cook runs very well on the same struckture as scarborough somebody needs there arses kicking a lot people here in whitby wont go there hospitals are busy than ever with an ageing population priavatization will do harm to the NHS thats what david wants .

 

Talk about a dogs life this cat will end up like garfield spoilt rotten then again he might get rid of a few rats.

 

paul.

[barry luxton]

Nothing is perfect barry we had the same problem here at scarborugh hospital but just up the road james cook a fantastcil hospital that is purely down to bad mangement which you get in all walks of life its the mangement that needs replacing not the hospital if james cook runs very well on the same struckture as scarborough somebody needs there arses kicking a lot people here in whitby wont go there hospitals are busy than ever with an ageing population priavatization will do harm to the NHS thats what david wants .

 

Talk about a dogs life this cat will end up like garfield spoilt rotten then again he might get rid of a few rats.

 

paul.

 

This is were it's going around in circles. What he is proposing is to get rid of an inflated level of management. Even during the blair years the watch words at that time was private public partnership, it's ok for the blairights yet not ok for cameron. During the rush, blair and co and also brown, arranged for a few nice shiny new hospitals to be built. The only downside was the actual contracts that will mean it will take very many years to pay it back, at a very healthy interest rate. That all comes from the nhs budget of course.

 

Much the same as the aircraft carriers, cost more to cancel the contracts. Managers have certainly cocked up

Edited February 17, 2011 by barry luxton

[flapper]

This is were it's going around in circles. What he is proposing is to get rid of an inflated level of management. Even during the blair years the watch words at that time was private public partnership, it's ok for the blairights yet not ok for cameron. During the rush, blair and co and also brown, arranged for a few nice shiny new hospitals to be built. The only downside was the actual contracts that will mean it will take very many years to pay it back, at a very healthy interest rate. That all comes from the nhs budget of course.

 

Much the same as the aircraft carriers, cost more to cancel the contracts. Managers have certainly cocked up

Nice to know Britain is exporting extra tear gas to Bahrain, oh,plus, "crowd control" ammunition to Libya, combat helicopters to Algeria and armoured personnel carriers to that model of democracy, chop yer ands off Saudi Arabia. Still, isn't it great to make a profit?

Flapper

[barry luxton]

Nice to know Britain is exporting extra tear gas to Bahrain, oh,plus, "crowd control" ammunition to Libya, combat helicopters to Algeria and armoured personnel carriers to that model of democracy, chop yer ands off Saudi Arabia. Still, isn't it great to make a profit?

Flapper

[flapper]

My point was that some things don’t need to make a profit Barry.

Everything should not be targeted at making a profit…

Flapper.