NHS TO BE NO MORE

[HERUTILUS]

Having just wathched the polotics show even i was taken back as to what i was about to see the tory health reforms are staggering doctors openly saying this is the end of the NHS as we know it.

The private sector is going cream off all the best bits and all leave the rest the whole thing hasnt been thought out properly its sending shivers down peoples spines this is what the torys have wanted for the last god knows how many years shocking to say the least hope you are all in bupa .

 

http://etonmess.blogspot.com/2010/11/end-o...ly-know-it.html

 

paul.

[HERUTILUS]

Having just wathched the polotics show even i was taken back as to what i was about to see the tory health reforms are staggering doctors openly saying this is the end of the NHS as we know it.

The private sector is going cream off all the best bits and all leave the rest the whole thing hasnt been thought out properly its sending shivers down peoples spines this is what the torys have wanted for the last god knows how many years shocking to say the least hope you are all in bupa .

 

http://etonmess.blogspot.com/2010/11/end-o...ly-know-it.html

 

paul.

 

Once Again I Say, Greetings Y'all,

 

Upon reading the various threads [A great number] to this topic I wonder if anyone in this country reads good quality newpapers & watches good quality television.

 

Now, don't you go getting me wrong, I'm like the rest of you, I don't want anything nasty to happen to the NHS, even though in some parts of the country it comes in for a lot of criticism. Here we have Anglers.Net members, scholars, the general public & a lot more 'going on' about David Cameron & His Merry Men treading upon hallowed ground, the NHS. What's got the NHS knackered is not David Cameron & the Tory Party, its not Nick Clegg, its not your Mr & Mrs A N Other in the street, its the astronomical overheads its carrying, wages & pensions in particular.

 

I've said it before, & I'll say it again, but no one listens. The NHS is the fourth or fifth biggest employer in the world? No.1 is The Peoples Army of China - No.2 is The Indian State Railways - No.3 is The Wallmart Group International; then, I'm led to believe, at circa 1,300,000 employees, the NHS comes in at No.4?

 

Now to put the 1.3 million bodies into perspective I give you the following - the British Armed Forces employ circa 350,00, there's about 140,000 coppers, 450-500,000 employed in education, 100,000 civil servants in Whitehall & 'all them added together' does not total to many more than 1,000,000 people.

 

Now, can you imagine what the annual wage/superann. bill for the NHS must be? I don't know, but its got to be knocking a helluva big hole in the current approx. £110 billion annual budget.

 

So, before anyone complains about too many managers, lack of respect for patients, expensive medication not being given to those who need it one must ask onself - Is it right that the NHS has become little more than a jobs agency, its vastly overstaffed, one could run another NHS using the annual 'sicky days' £total the staff run up; believe me the horror story goes on for ever!! There was an article in the papers December time, it really opened my eyes. Evidently, your average NHS employee can go on the sick & be paid 'full money' for months, then be paid 'percentage money' for more months before having to hand in a doctor's note. Then, he/she can contact one's line manager to find out how many more days he/she can be absent before the brown stuff hits the fan.

My response to the above is "Bloody good work if you can get it". I've never managed it, nowhere near.

 

So, I fancy what Davy Boy's doing [i don't think he'll succeed] is to reduce the NHS labour overhead. David knows there's a lot of time-servers & wheel spinners in there & he wants them out. So, imagine how services & treatment could improve [Expensive drugs becoming available to all perhaps?] if the labour force was reduced by, say, 150,000?

 

Now, before the trade unionists, socialists, 'reds', Ed Milliband supporters [What a dreadful person he appears to be?] & dreamers among go getting your knickers-in-a-twist with good old Mr H he's now telling you that he did 50 years in the so-called Construction Industry, got the chop more than once, & do you know what, nobody gave a damn.

 

Call me hard, call me bitter & twisted, call me whatever, I don't give a ***t. You could be right, but there's one thing I most certainly am & that is 'I'm a realist'.

 

As ever, regards sincere

 

H

[big_cod]

Once Again I Say, Greetings Y'all,

 

Upon reading the various threads [A great number] to this topic I wonder if anyone in this country reads good quality newpapers & watches good quality television.

 

Now, don't you go getting me wrong, I'm like the rest of you, I don't want anything nasty to happen to the NHS, even though in some parts of the country it comes in for a lot of criticism. Here we have Anglers.Net members, scholars, the general public & a lot more 'going on' about David Cameron & His Merry Men treading upon hallowed ground, the NHS. What's got the NHS knackered is not David Cameron & the Tory Party, its not Nick Clegg, its not your Mr & Mrs A N Other in the street, its the astronomical overheads its carrying, wages & pensions in particular.

 

I've said it before, & I'll say it again, but no one listens. The NHS is the fourth or fifth biggest employer in the world? No.1 is The Peoples Army of China - No.2 is The Indian State Railways - No.3 is The Wallmart Group International; then, I'm led to believe, at circa 1,300,000 employees, the NHS comes in at No.4?

 

Now to put the 1.3 million bodies into perspective I give you the following - the British Armed Forces employ circa 350,00, there's about 140,000 coppers, 450-500,000 employed in education, 100,000 civil servants in Whitehall & 'all them added together' does not total to many more than 1,000,000 people.

 

Now, can you imagine what the annual wage/superann. bill for the NHS must be? I don't know, but its got to be knocking a helluva big hole in the current approx. £110 billion annual budget.

 

So, before anyone complains about too many managers, lack of respect for patients, expensive medication not being given to those who need it one must ask onself - Is it right that the NHS has become little more than a jobs agency, its vastly overstaffed, one could run another NHS using the annual 'sicky days' £total the staff run up; believe me the horror story goes on for ever!! There was an article in the papers December time, it really opened my eyes. Evidently, your average NHS employee can go on the sick & be paid 'full money' for months, then be paid 'percentage money' for more months before having to hand in a doctor's note. Then, he/she can contact one's line manager to find out how many more days he/she can be absent before the brown stuff hits the fan.

My response to the above is "Bloody good work if you can get it". I've never managed it, nowhere near.

 

So, I fancy what Davy Boy's doing [i don't think he'll succeed] is to reduce the NHS labour overhead. David knows there's a lot of time-servers & wheel spinners in there & he wants them out. So, imagine how services & treatment could improve [Expensive drugs becoming available to all perhaps?] if the labour force was reduced by, say, 150,000?

 

Now, before the trade unionists, socialists, 'reds', Ed Milliband supporters [What a dreadful person he appears to be?] & dreamers among go getting your knickers-in-a-twist with good old Mr H he's now telling you that he did 50 years in the so-called Construction Industry, got the chop more than once, & do you know what, nobody gave a damn.

 

Call me hard, call me bitter & twisted, call me whatever, I don't give a ***t. You could be right, but there's one thing I most certainly am & that is 'I'm a realist'.

 

As ever, regards sincere

 

H

 

Intersting but have you ever thought just how many customers the NHS has every day now thats a thought as people get older so the does the burden on the NHS there must be ways of saving money that goes in any buisness if you look closely enough but come on doctors nurseys in droves are saying to cameron you are doing it all wrong now the goverment are back peddling .

 

paul.

[barry luxton]

Don't you lose any sleep Mr H, good post mate. Just to add a tiny bit, for every arm's force personel they have one civil sevent backing up.

The other point is the building works carried out within the nhs has been done under the private public partnership at a massive cost that is to be paid back over a long period of time, very many years and the 'hp' interest payments are absolutly collossel. I don't have the actual figures but when i say big, i do mean big. Thats in addition to the wages bill btw.

[HERUTILUS]

Don't you lose any sleep Mr H, good post mate. Just to add a tiny bit, for every arm's force personel they have one civil sevent backing up.

The other point is the building works carried out within the nhs has been done under the private public partnership at a massive cost that is to be paid back over a long period of time, very many years and the 'hp' interest payments are absolutly collossel. I don't have the actual figures but when i say big, i do mean big. Thats in addition to the wages bill btw.

 

Thank You Barry, Thank You 'Big Cods',

 

The pair of you got lucky last night, when I get going on the NHS, The Police, MOD bureaucracy & a helluva lot more I could go on for ever. My lovely little 'better 80%' is threatening me with divorce, & this after 49 years of holy wedlock. What stopped me going on & on last night was the third glass of white vino, 'my eyes were going' as a result.

 

In terms of the NHS there was a major scandal quite recently at, something similar to, The North Staffs. Hospital Trust or whatever, you should go onto the WWW & plug the name is & see what you get back.

The situation was so damn bad that in countries who've retained the death penalty some of them from Norht Staffs. would have dangled & I'm not exaggerating for one moment. Due to total inefficiency, pig-ignorance & all he rest 'they at North Staffs' saw-off approx. 1400 people. One went into hospital with something relatively minor & came out in a coffin! No one is too sure in terms of the 1400, so many died they're still trying to put a hard number on it.

 

The story makes for good reading, give it a go.

 

Regards to you all,

 

Mr H

[flapper]

Lot of big figures being banded about here.

What we are forgetting is how many people in this country pay national insurance? How many people in this country have paid national insurance all there lives yet have very rarely had to call on the NHS?

Flapper.

[Sportsman]

Lot of big figures being banded about here.

What we are forgetting is how many people in this country pay national insurance? How many people in this country have paid national insurance all there lives yet have very rarely had to call on the NHS?

Flapper.

tThe NHs is funded from general taxation not NI

[barry luxton]

Lot of big figures being banded about here.

What we are forgetting is how many people in this country pay national insurance? How many people in this country have paid national insurance all there lives yet have very rarely had to call on the NHS?

Flapper.

 

Indeed, you could use that argument for the road fund licence. If that was the case the m25 would be a fourteen lane super highway and the blackwall crossing would have six tunnels.

 

Use it again with the amount of fines collected off the scroates (me included) who have been caught speeding with the excellent safty camera partneships system and we would have the best supermax prisons in the world.

 

 

and what happend to the ni money because labour used this method to improve the nhs.

 

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/_news...-buildings.html

 

off topic a bit, is maggies rebate being used to fund the second item within the link, just interested

Edited March 27, 2011 by barry luxton

[watatoad]

Speaking just for myself and in my personal opinion and as one who has waded through NHS audits and had to note the increase in totally unwarranted middle and upper management and unnecessary departments created by the last Labour Government.

 

I would say that the current Conservative/Liberal Democrat coalition Government is missing three golden opportunities one the reintroduction of Matrons, two returning the cleaning of hospitals to in house, three, saving the best part of half the current wages bill by making the excess departments, middle management and upper management redundant or better still sack them for failing to do their jobs efficiently.

 

Time wasted which is easily spotted (you can see it for yourself just pop into any hospital and look) - surfing the net and going on facebook - twitter - or dating or sex oriented sites during work hours, chatting to colleagues instead of working, chatting to friends and family on NHS paid for telephone lines instead of working, leaving both lights and computers on when they are not needed nor likely to be used in the near future. There are just too many not doing their jobs properly nor efficiently and I am talking mainly about administration staff but not exclusively

 

Sadly for some people in the country the workers Labour party has not existed in over 50 years

 

Sadly Mrs Thatcher created the greed society

 

Sadly Mr Blair was too busy preening and posing and sucking up to America

 

Sadly Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg have eased the restrictions on MP's allowances - which will help the politicians all get their noses back in our pockets (or should that be troughs)

 

One problem with any MP from any party is that they all appear to be very very short sighted

 

None, no not one of the three major parties have shown that they are capable of running the country properly, efficiently and with consideration for the people of the country in the last 200 years

 

The Royal family are just expensive puppets and tourist attractions

 

Perhaps the old aristocracy would do a better job, maybe even one of the much older Royal families

 

I do know one Toad who could not do any worse and there are a few on here who might make a really good job of it...pity I'm too old to give it a go...hehehe

Edited March 28, 2011 by watatoad

[barry luxton]

Speaking just for myself and in my personal opinion and as one who has waded through NHS audits and had to note the increase in totally unwarranted middle and upper management and unnecessary departments created by the last Labour Government.

 

I would say that the current Conservative/Liberal Democrat coalition Government is missing three golden opportunities one the reintroduction of Matrons, two returning the cleaning of hospitals to in house, three, saving the best part of half the current wages bill by making the excess departments, middle management and upper management redundant or better still sack them for failing to do their jobs efficiently.

Are these the ones you are talking about, there appear to be loads and loads and loads....................

 

http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/thenhs/about/...sandtrusts.aspx

Edited March 28, 2011 by barry luxton