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With Marburg, there has been at least one case where the index case has been a western tourist visiting caves, so the source has been identified.

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As I recall, although there's all the talk about bats being the reseviour, there's not a single recorded case of live virus having been successfully isolated from a bat.


Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel. Barbel. Bleak. Dace.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.

Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.

Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub.

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Interesting. That's changed since I was last looking during the Kinshasa outbreak. At that time, they'd only found antibody evidence.

Never heard of fruit bats roosting in caves before either but the species is confirmed as the Egyptian fruit bat.


Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel. Barbel. Bleak. Dace.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.

Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.

Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub.

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The circumstantial evidence was strong even before, though - multiple cases contracted in caves where not much but bats lived!

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The outbreak in West Africa has continued to spread, has claimed over 300 lives and is row reported to be "out of control" by MSF.

Perhaps the most worrying thing is the length of time that this outbreak has persisted in humans. The longer it spends in people, the better adapted to human hosts it becomes and so the risk of something really nasty emerging rises.


Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel. Barbel. Bleak. Dace.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.

Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.

Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub.

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Usually burns itself out quicker than this.

 

Selection within humans is a double edged sword - higher risk of becoming more contagious, including the nightmare scenario of going airborne, but also a tendency to become less lethal (it doesn't "want" to kill you, it is not in its interests to do so).

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The outbreak in West Africa has continued to spread, has claimed over 300 lives and is row reported to be "out of control" by MSF.

Perhaps the most worrying thing is the length of time that this outbreak has persisted in humans. The longer it spends in people, the better adapted to human hosts it becomes and so the risk of something really nasty emerging rises.

ofcourse if the government really cared about us (as they insist they do with these rafts of laws they keep bringing in) they would immediatly close the borders to any planes from africa or planes where passengers from africa could have transferred across to for at least a month just to make sure we (the people they work for) are completely safe.

they would also ofcourse ban the local moslems overseas visitors (of which will be tens of thousands) congegating here for ramadan incase one was a carrier

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Usually burns itself out quicker than this.

Selection within humans is a double edged sword - higher risk of becoming more contagious, including the nightmare scenario of going airborne, but also a tendency to become less lethal (it doesn't "want" to kill you, it is not in its interests to do so).

 

It's true that diseases like cholera have become less lethal over time but it's equally true that some diseases go the other way. For example, influenza variants periodically become much more dangerous and SARS/MERS coronaviruses presumably gave rise to infections that were either subclinical or no worse than a common cold before they became lethal. .

 

I see that you've been quite wary about ascribing intent or purpose to a virus and rightly so. Its not even about what the virus would want were it capable of consciousness though, it's about whatever strategy best allows the genes within the virus to propagate and spread.

Developing a longer infectious incubation period would be an evolutionarily successful strategy and would make the virus more, not less deadly.

The same goes for airborne transmission - and of course, the related Ebola Reston has already achieved this.

 

Viral DNA/RNA is constantly recombining and sharing genetic information with other viruses within it's host so who knows what transmission and adaptation tricks it could pick up.


Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel. Barbel. Bleak. Dace.

Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel.

Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp.

Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak.

Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub.

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Yes, it's a risk, but typically zoonotic viruses show higher lethality in species they are not well adapted to - very high rate of mortality in index cases for influenzas, for example.

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