FAIRWAY PIKE

[Andy_1984]

Stick yer nose somewhere else phone my attitude has changed the past year. I speak my mind and dont suffer any bull shite. Too long have I been on here and biting my tongue through fear of reprisal from the regular posters.

 

Think of it as the new me.

[Phone]

Andy,

 

The "new you" appears antagonistic to killing a few (or a lot) of pike. Maybe you had better explain the "new you".

 

What has changed in the past year?

 

Is any opinion about pike, other than yours, bull shite?

 

Phone

[Andy_1984]

Andy,

 

The "new you" appears antagonistic to killing a few (or a lot) of pike. Maybe you had better explain the "new you".

 

What has changed in the past year?

 

Is any opinion about pike, other than yours, bull shite?

 

Phone

 

you seem hung up on the pike thing phone, maybe to provoke a reaction ? I was not speaking about angling specifically and I think you know that.

 

when was the last time a topic about roach turned in to a debate as the likes of pike topics.

 

[Dick Dastardly]

But is showing a nicely made film with some good fish .......being handled VERY BADLY really setting a good example to anglers who don't know any different and as such may emulate this a good thing? What other anglers get up to in other parts of the world is none of my business or concern....but I wouldn't want to see British anglers copying this down my local lake or river!" You may all to easily think the battle is over and thanks to the likes of the PAC and many other un sung pikers who have battled to "educate" over the decades that bad practices have been eliminated? everyone knows that gags are unnecessary (in fact a hindrance) and not good for pike? that all know that intentional deep hooking is bad? that deep hooked pike can be safely unhooked without leaving gear in them? that weigh slings/un hooking mats (in the correct situations) are good? Even that gaffs (all though now happily illegal) are not good?

 

THINK AGAIN!

 

Sadly it still goes on and so does the battle to educate against it. I honestly believe that despite some arguing that the presenting of bad practices (such as this film) are a good opportunity to discuss, point out the error and correct that sadly the un initiated will just see all us as "knockers", "Jealous", "key board warriors" and of course "Pike Police" as after all to them we and our experience are unknown where the "hero" in the film is establishing his credibility with the captures shown. So I ask should we be showing such stuff and therefore unintentionally promoting bad fishing practice?

[Steve Walker]

But the point of good practice is to release it as far as possible unharmed - if you've just bashed its brains in and the next scene is going to show it gutted, does it matter whether you use a weighing sling or how you hold it?

[Dick Dastardly]

Totally agree Steve and if some one was condemning the fact the guy was going to eat the fish I would be quick to defend BUT the issue is the type of angler Im concerned about wont realise that the fish is going to be eaten, wont realise that things are different in different countries and just assume what he sees is "standard" practice and as such do the same down his local cut! Just undermines what many have strived to change. Now on a specialist site with pike anfglers who DO know the subtle differences I would agree and as said be first to challenge the "Pike Police" when they started ripping the guy BUT that's not my issue as I said Im just questioning if it is a good idea to show such stuff especially when it could be seen by people who would think its the right way?

 

Basicly my issue is with (in this case AN) us showing such stuff rather than what the guy is doing, if that makes sense?

[Phone]

Budgie,

 

You and Andy are preaching to the choir. Name a sporting endeavor that involves killing that doesn't have it's detractors. Anyone who believes SOP includes bad stewardship of our natural resources (whatever - fish, foul, or animals) would not establish a judgment or opinion based on any one event.

 

After all, I don't condone bow fishing - but neither do I condemn this legal sport.

 

We have mods. This has ALWAYS been a fishing site where liberal expression of opinion has been allowed.

 

Phone

[Anderoo]

With that kind of logic lets do away with unhooking mats, landing nets, use bogas and gags, drag em up the bank and so on. Would you so readily defend someone who decides to fish in that manner.

 

I quite often fish without landing nets or unhooking mats and yes, I think I can quite easily defend that.

 

PS maybe 'Moderator at The-Pikers-Pit.co.uk' has something to do with the new Andy

Edited August 20, 2014 by Anderoo

[Steve Walker]

Agree Budgie, sadly there probably are people who won't realise that isn't how to handle a pike that's going back - though they will if they see the video here!

[Dick Dastardly]

Im not preaching to anyone Phone. Again just suggesting that giving "viewing time" to such things could be counter productive.

 

Anderoo I too don't always use either landing net or unhooking mat..... but like you do when the situation requires them! I don't like the "Pike Police" (or "I love Carp more than anyone else in the world" people) who go OTT re fish care demanding that all fish are deified! I cringe when I read people slating anothers photo because its laid on soft grass and not a mat! I 100% AGREE that we need to educate/explain differences and be tolerant of others practices BUT surely we should be carefull not to promote bad practice?

 

Anyone looking in here I think would be quite supprised about the way Andy has had a panning for speaking out about this but I suspect its more the way he has spoken out about it rather than people actually condoning what he is objecting to. A good example of how we need to tread carefully and try to educate/persuade rather than condem/criticise.

 

Another question though, where should we draw the line on what we show (and therefore even if un wittingly) promote? Ive never objected to fish on the fish mongers slab type pics (unlike so many!) Obviously dead fish (ones not directly killed by the angler showing) hung from scales etc nor any other type of "controversial" thing (as long as legal) but would we (for example) think it acceptable for Anglers Net to allow a post that showed a bent hook fixed carp rig? The use of a gaff? Instructing us on how to deep hook pike? How to cram 200lb of bream in a 6' keepnet? etc etc etc Im sure you know what I mean? Again I appreciate that some may say that it raises these issues and allows us to try and educate/advise but again surely the type of idiot who is likely to do this type of thing aint going to listen!? and all its doing is making some aware of these practices and so copy them?

 

Sounds like Im not giving people much credit doesn't it! But sadly experience has shown me that the Internet whilst supplying a wealth of good information that many chose to follow also is populated by many idiots as well! who wouldn't recognise good from bad if it was stuck under their noses (or even sadder simply don't care).