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[big_cod]

 

Paul I am not being cheeky but I have owned and operated scallop boats for 30 years (we regularly fished your local waters 20+ years ago, it's nothing new), sea angled for 45 years, owned sea angling boats for 25 years, have several potters from all over the country among my best friends who I speak to on a daily basis and I am a member of our local potting Association, so being frank you might find someone better to try and mislead, I might not be your best choice ever regarding all or any of the above.

 

Regarding your two mates, it has been rare over the last 2 years to read the Fishing News and there not to be at least one new addition to the potting fleet in that area per month, what are these boats fishing for, water?

 

The explosion in potting effort in the area is the great unmentionable but it's there in black and white, a huge increase in vessels working incredible amounts of gear, in excess of 170,000 pots in only part of the area was a figure that I was quoted a long time ago by a FO.

 

Ps....Herring numbers are nothing these days!....please tell me you don't expect me or anyone else to take that seriously?

 

Pps....if you worry so much about the local Cod stock (I see no issue so have no problem with what anyone takes) stop taking what can only be described as industrial quantites on a regular basis, do your part if indeed there are concerns. How can you possibly justify take take take from what you seem to describe as relatively resident stock, or have you stopped the slaughter of those big breeding fish, 500,000 eggs per KG of body weight?

 

I really struggle to see how your whining fits in with your reporting, the two are a desperately poor fit, either or might be correct, but both....seriously!! -

 

http://www.whitbyseaanglers.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=35828.0

Steve long before came to whitby there was large scotish fleet here at whitby scalloping but and this is just what we have been saying those boats didnt tow the hard ground they towed in mirery ground or broken ground this lot from down your neck of the woods have been trashing the hard ground smashing the reefs to peices .

Last spring i watched 3 scallop boats going over the 5 mile ground here at whitby that peice of ground was one of the most fertile peices of ground heaving with cod and ling smooth now steve hooked big style they went over it time and time again what amaizes me with some comercial fishermen he never ever thinks he is doing any thing wrong its just tunnel vision its like an atomic bomb has been dropped on certain peices of ground scapping is bad news towing reefs sand yes i wouldnt argue with that, i saw one scapper shot away on some of hardest ground of whitby on 3 mile he was coming fast every 50 yds did he haul up and move no he just kept towing ripping it to shreads a lot of work changeing his gear but the damage to that ground is irreversable for ever .

 

These guys are happy they are looking long term in the industry.

 

http://www.newsrt.co.uk/news/lobster-fishermen-welcome-temporary-scallop-dredging-ban-2953317.html

 

paul.

 

paul.

 

 

Paul I am not being cheeky but I have owned and operated scallop boats for 30 years (we regularly fished your local waters 20+ years ago, it's nothing new), sea angled for 45 years, owned sea angling boats for 25 years, have several potters from all over the country among my best friends who I speak to on a daily basis and I am a member of our local potting Association, so being frank you might find someone better to try and mislead, I might not be your best choice ever regarding all or any of the above.

 

Regarding your two mates, it has been rare over the last 2 years to read the Fishing News and there not to be at least one new addition to the potting fleet in that area per month, what are these boats fishing for, water?

 

The explosion in potting effort in the area is the great unmentionable but it's there in black and white, a huge increase in vessels working incredible amounts of gear, in excess of 170,000 pots in only part of the area was a figure that I was quoted a long time ago by a FO.

 

Ps....Herring numbers are nothing these days!....please tell me you don't expect me or anyone else to take that seriously?

 

Pps....if you worry so much about the local Cod stock (I see no issue so have no problem with what anyone takes) stop taking what can only be described as industrial quantites on a regular basis, do your part if indeed there are concerns. How can you possibly justify take take take from what you seem to describe as relatively resident stock, or have you stopped the slaughter of those big breeding fish, 500,000 eggs per KG of body weight?

 

I really struggle to see how your whining fits in with your reporting, the two are a desperately poor fit, either or might be correct, but both....seriously!! -

 

http://www.whitbyseaanglers.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=35828.0

Steve long before came to whitby there was large scotish fleet here at whitby scalloping but and this is just what we have been saying those boats didnt tow the hard ground they towed in mirery ground or broken ground this lot from down your neck of the woods have been trashing the hard ground smashing the reefs to peices .

Last spring i watched 3 scallop boats going over the 5 mile ground here at whitby that peice of ground was one of the most fertile peices of ground heaving with cod and ling smooth now steve hooked big style they went over it time and time again what amaizes me with some comercial fishermen he never ever thinks he is doing any thing wrong its just tunnel vision its like an atomic bomb has been dropped on certain peices of ground scalloping is bad news towing reefs sand or broken ground yes i wouldnt argue with that, i saw one scalloper shot away on some of hardest ground off whitby on 3 mile he was coming fast every 50 yds did he haul up and move no he just kept towing ripping it to shreads a lot of work changeing his gear but the damage to that ground is irreversable for ever .

 

One lad from scarborough who has been scalloping for years i would see him regulary towing the 4 mile here at whitby again through the broken ground never on reefs its only the boats we have here now doing the damage steve i know every body has to make a living but there are limits the scallop boats here have been running riot and needed to be drawn in and that has happend and that has come from local pressure and it aint finished yet only a certain amount of permits ,daylight fishing and AIS ask yourself a question why did all the scallop boats turn the AIS off there is only one anser to that.

 

I know all the lads who fish commercially here at whitby talking to one of the main potting lads here an ex trawlerman he said to me i tryed to tell one of scallop boats exactly where his gear was he just said if its aback of 3 mile it shouldnt be there i know where and where i cant tow in other words move it them or we will move them for you sad aint it so know the local feeling.

 

These guys are happy they are looking long term in the industry.

 

http://www.newsrt.co.uk/news/lobster-fishermen-welcome-temporary-scallop-dredging-ban-2953317.html

 

paul.

Edited February 19, 2015 by big_cod

[stevieg]

So three paragraphs of word salad but still no answer to the original simple question.What is your issues woth the word "theory". I trust you know the difference between the word's colloquial use and the scientific use of the term?

Your question is a tad infantile to say the least, what you call salad we call mince up here in gods country.

 

In the midst of all the sensationalistic waffle the activity like many other impact or extractive activities is fully quantified.

 

Activity A passing bio-tope B x C amount of times = impact D.....rocket science it is not.

 

On your other point you trust correctly, and I have no issue with that or any other word.

[corydoras]

My question is framed in an infantile manner for a reason. If you can't explain your argument to a child then likely your premises are wrong. I find it strange that you can't give a direct answer to such a simple question.

 

I could just assume that you KNOW that dredging for scallops cannot possibly be anything other than detrimental to the benthic marine environment but sport not the ****s to admit that this is so, but I try not to put words into other peoples mouths.

[stevieg]

My question is framed in an infantile manner for a reason. If you can't explain your argument to a child then likely your premises are wrong. I find it strange that you can't give a direct answer to such a simple question.

 

I could just assume that you KNOW that dredging for scallops cannot possibly be anything other than detrimental to the benthic marine environment but sport not the ****s to admit that this is so, but I try not to put words into other peoples mouths.

Interesting, the sea (in the real world) is in my experience not an aquarium. It is a dynamic ever changing environment, this can be temporal, natural or human aided change....some for the better, some possibly not so.

 

The reality is that every human interaction with the marine environment has a negative impact to a degree, this is recognised and acknowledged by marine management.

 

 

If mobile gear fishing is indeed so harmful why is it so often that mobile gear fished areas thrive while so often protected areas go stale and decline.

 

I don't actually have an argument, all I have is around 150,000 hours of real world on scene experience observing reality, and many years being heavily involved with marine protection, a long long time before any of the current process were even conceived in the corridors of the EU. I am very happy for you to enlighten me why I and many others with this level of experience have this so wrong?

[stevieg]

Steve long before came to whitby there was large scotish fleet here at whitby scalloping but and this is just what we have been saying those boats didnt tow the hard ground they towed in mirery ground or broken ground this lot from down your neck of the woods have been trashing the hard ground smashing the reefs to peices .

Last spring i watched 3 scallop boats going over the 5 mile ground here at whitby that peice of ground was one of the most fertile peices of ground heaving with cod and ling smooth now steve hooked big style they went over it time and time again what amaizes me with some comercial fishermen he never ever thinks he is doing any thing wrong its just tunnel vision its like an atomic bomb has been dropped on certain peices of ground scalloping is bad news towing reefs sand or broken ground yes i wouldnt argue with that, i saw one scalloper shot away on some of hardest ground off whitby on 3 mile he was coming fast every 50 yds did he haul up and move no he just kept towing ripping it to shreads a lot of work changeing his gear but the damage to that ground is irreversable for ever .

 

One lad from scarborough who has been scalloping for years i would see him regulary towing the 4 mile here at whitby again through the broken ground never on reefs its only the boats we have here now doing the damage steve i know every body has to make a living but there are limits the scallop boats here have been running riot and needed to be drawn in and that has happend and that has come from local pressure and it aint finished yet only a certain amount of permits ,daylight fishing and AIS ask yourself a question why did all the scallop boats turn the AIS off there is only one anser to that.

 

I know all the lads who fish commercially here at whitby talking to one of the main potting lads here an ex trawlerman he said to me i tryed to tell one of scallop boats exactly where his gear was he just said if its aback of 3 mile it shouldnt be there i know where and where i cant tow in other words move it them or we will move them for you sad aint it so know the local feeling.

 

These guys are happy they are looking long term in the industry.

 

http://www.newsrt.co.uk/news/lobster-fishermen-welcome-temporary-scallop-dredging-ban-2953317.html

 

paul.

 

I am a bit lost here Paul, I am from Kirkcudbright in SW Scotland not down anywhere. It was boats from here who worked those grounds decades ago, long before the explosion in potting that has partly created the current situation in the area.

 

I am intrigued by your coming fast every 50 yards, scallop gear is very expensive - a single dredge ready to go nowadays is in the £500 region, anyone towing in an area damaging their gear every 50 yards belongs on the cast of dumber and dumber, you would be looking at gear costs running into many thousands every day which makes no sense whatsoever, you really couldn't make it up. You are aware that you simply do not get economically viable quantities of scallops on reefs?

 

Why do they turn their AIS off, would you happily advertise your exact position to every one of your competitors 24/7?, I cetainly don't. It would also be the local potters worst nightmare, I am really surprised that they have not realised that tbh.

 

AIS is a navigation tool, VMS is a fishery management tool....VMS can not be switched off, as well as the automatic reporting the Fishery Departments can monitor any boat 24/7 should they choose to do so, all without the boat being aware that they are doing this, it happens frequently and often.

 

AIS is a complete non event in the real marine management world, a real red herring, although some people are daft enough to lap it up, VMS and only VMS is where it is at.

 

It will be interesting to see how this ultimately pans out, the potters now have inside the closed area all to themselves, on the flip side the scallopers would be perfectly resonable to asume that anywhere outside this potting area should in turn be exclusively for scalloping. I regularly speak to quite a few of the serious players in the potting world, their worst nightmare is being hemmed into an area, they like to move about at different times, to a man they hate the idea of spatial management and they certainly didn't get where they are without being seriously switched on.....watch this space in a couple of years ;-)

 

Ps....you never did answer, are you still taking wha can only be described as industrial quantities of Cod, Ling etc or have you stopped all that, some of the images of old were not pretty from a fish conservation perspective?

Edited February 19, 2015 by stevieg

[corydoras]

I am a bit lost here Paul, I am from Kirkcudbright in SW Scotland not down anywhere.

Your from "down somewhere" for me mate, it might say Southampton on my profile, but I come from The Vale.

[chesters1]

A question ,why are scallopers not only risking their gear but their vessels in hauling over reefs when scallops i presume live in sand ? Do they not have the ability to know the difference?

[barry luxton]

_{A question ,why are scallopers not only risking their gear but their vessels in hauling over reefs when scallops i presume live in sand ? Do they not have the ability to know the difference?}

 

first I have heard of scallops burying themselves in rocky outcrops. Amazing, thought they was filter feeders, not linked to the wrasse family.

 

[Andrew]

 

first I have heard of scallops burying themselves in rocky outcrops. Amazing, thought they was filter feeders, not linked to the wrasse family.

 

 

 

NOOOOOOOO i thought they build nests with discarded or broken fishing nets, dont they ! ! ! !

Edited February 20, 2015 by Andrew

[corydoras]

A question ,why are scallopers not only risking their gear but their vessels in hauling over reefs when scallops i presume live in sand ? Do they not have the ability to know the difference?

Not all reefs are just below the surface

 

 

first I have heard of scallops burying themselves in rocky outcrops. Amazing, thought they was filter feeders, not linked to the wrasse family.

 

What's that I spy at about 2:52 in amongst the blennys and the butterfish? Jesus Jumpin Fecking Johnny I do believe it's a fecking scallop. Funny al those "experts" on AN think you only get them in the sand.