EFTTA - Sea Fishing Licence

[barry luxton]

Anyone like to hazard a guess on the RSA uptake?

 

Yes there is a guy down the south west who challenged defra in 07 to accept or deny goverment funded research that stated the rsa uptake is 1.4% of the commercial landings. Defra would not accept or deny that it was an acurate figure. Posted it before.

[wurzel]

I see the 'Fifth Column' is in denial again ... they just hate facts and they like no facts even more!

 

Haven't denied any thing HA , just trying not to let this thread collapse into a senseless slagging match [Edited] [this thread] at the moment is about DEFRA not asking Leon's permission to increase the UNDER 10 inshore boats quota for cod rays and sole, his perception that with the licence deal will come the power to dictate to DEFRA on fishery management for the good of RSA.

 

I claim that the RSA take on COD is probably more than the UNDER TEN sector so the chances are that along with licenses and being involved in fishery management will come stringent cuts in what COD RSA can catch.

Edited February 4, 2008 by John S
Removed some childish comments that could have resulted in another bout of slagging off

[wurzel]

Yes there is a guy down the south west who challenged defra in 07 to accept or deny goverment funded research that stated the rsa uptake is 1.4% of the commercial landings. Defra would not accept or deny that it was an acurate figure. Posted it before.

 

Hello Barry

 

I doubt that 1.4% has any baring on the cod uptake by RSA comparing with the UNDER 10 sector.

[steve good]

I see the 'Fifth Column' is in denial again ... they just hate facts and they like no facts even more!

 

Hi HA

 

The EU sets haddock quotas up off Scotland theres loads of haddock, does ICES known that I think not, the discards suggest that ICES are as you put it in denial over the haddock stocks

 

So the other year afew Scottish vessels had to leave a good haddock fishery and went to the SW and joined the bass mid-water pair trawling fishery, you cannot blame them for that, they need to earn aliving somewhere.

 

You moan and groan about not catching more and larger bass from the beach, you moan and groan about haddock discards, and yet if the Scottish bass pair teams stayed in Scotland and were allowed to catch the very adbundant haddock then you may very well have been catching more and larger bass from your own beach

 

There are many factors that create discards, and yet you only want to blame UK fishermen and no one else, until you realise that it is not just UK fishermen that create discards then YOU are the one that is in denial

 

steve

[Ian Burrett]

Hello Ian

 

We are comparing the under ten meter boats catch for the southern north sea and channel nothing much to do with haddock in the northern north sea nor larger trawlers perhaps you have some reverent figures?

Anyone like to hazard a guess on the RSA uptake?

 

 

Hi Wurzel

 

I just had a bit of a Guiness moment

 

The main reason if i remember rightly through blured eyes was; An earlier post had said the Eu was looking into RSA catches and then Challenges made the post about 10 metre boats and RSA catches.

 

 

The only reason they could be possibly be compared is because bad management has reduced Cod down to such low numbers; then to turn round and say "Welll you catch as many as us; is unbelievable"

 

Across the North Sea there will be more discards this year then RSA will ever catch collectively in a lifetime. To make comparisons for a small 15 mile radius from Whitby is ludicrous

 

You have to look at the whole picture and that's why i brought the discards in.

 

I do believe the Whitby RSA folk are being too Insular. Yes there may be Cod of Whitby at the moment but who knows what's round the corner.

 

I think you said in an earlier post, about it not being true that skippers had gone bust due to poor stocks. You try telling that to the 80 West coast skippers that have disappeared through the loss of Cod in the Clyde.

 

People used to travel from Yorkshire to the Clyde because the Cod fishing was that good. Just ten years ago a 30 pound cod from the shore at Balcary was a possibility. All that's left is dabs.

 

I am chuffed Glen and Paul have got themselves organised but i still believe they have to keep pushing rightly for their own patch as well as supporting RSA as a whole and i don't mean rod licenses and the golden mile

 

 

They might be just glad of the support of others if the Cod disappear of Whitby

Edited February 4, 2008 by Ian Burrett

[Leon Roskilly]

The EU sets haddock quotas up off Scotland theres loads of haddock

 

Hi Steve,

 

How many year classes are being targeted, and do you know the percentage abundance of each year class?

 

I seem to remember that there were concerns about a very good year class which needs to be eked out to sustain the fishery year on year, rather than all taken at once.

 

Regards, Leon

[H.A.]

Oh dear Steve .... mixing me up with someone else?

 

Hi H.A.

 

........ You moan and groan about not catching more and larger bass from the beach, you moan and groan about haddock discards

 

Naughty, naughty .... change of direction now is it? Discredit and refute!

 

I have NEVER mentioned haddock (whatever they are!).

I have never moaned about the size of bass from my local beach (13-12-0), taa! (You let some slip, Steve!)

 

Look, let it not be said that I am unhelpful to the commercial fellahs on here.

 

I'll put up a list of reasons why the commercial fleet is not responsible for present low fish stocks around the UK .... all you need to do then is to copy and paste the relevant excuse you wish to use.

 

Save us wading through loadsa hogwash, eh?

 

 

Just tick the boxes if you like -

 

A. It's Global Warming.

 

B. I have 0 discards; can't be me!

 

C. It's the bloody French/Spanish/Belgies/Swedes, not us! (Circle them all to cover all bases)

 

D. We're in a different ICES area, so it's not our problem.

 

E. It's the over 10s, not us; why should we be concerned.

 

F. It doesn't happen. It's just science stuff and ain't worth the paper it's printed on.

 

G. You don't know anything about it like we commercials do.

 

H. It's Brussels; we have no chance. No wonder our lads get hauled into court each week.

 

I. We have to break the law to make an honest living!

 

J. It's blowing a gale.

 

K. My bottom is covered in barnacles.

 

L. My boats has been on dry land for the past 6 weeks, your Honour.

 

M. My catch is dogfish, the soles are just By-Catch. That's allowed innit?

 

N. My name is Pedro Manuel Olathabel, your Honour. My family has fished three miles off Hastings for the past 200 years.

 

O. Bruddy RSAs take all our fish! Laden to the gunnels they are!

 

O. No speekee English!

 

etc

 

etc

 

 

[big_cod]

Paul.

What is there to stop you putting 2000 pots in the sea?

What is there to stop you fishing for souls or cod come to that?

Commercial fishermen have to be accountable for everything they catch. Are you and your anglers?

Rsa catch more cod from Whitby than the under ten meter boats do.

Don’t go down that path Paul because it is the last place you want to go in your campaign to stop legislation being enforced on the rsa industry.

Regards.

 

As you are now an employe of the northeastern sea fisheries one of your comrades in arms simon prince said in scarborough last week anglers catch to much and they should have quota aystem and rod licences does this nugget realize just what he is saying in 1994 1.6 milloin pounds was estimated to go into the whitby economy through sea angling that figure is probably over 3 million now in 2008 that meeting was minuited and his words were recored i do hope his and your boss sees a bit more sense on this issue i am at a meeting with whitby counclil tommorow night people are now begining to ask questions but it would glad to hear the official stance being taken by the northestern sea fisheries just what they think charetboats no more in whitby people haveing to pay to fish in the sea jobs lost people are outraged by the thought of rod licences it is a tax nothing more anybody who thinks bigger and better fish will come with a licence are vastly mistaken t.

Edited February 4, 2008 by big_cod

[glennk]

As you are now an employe of the northeastern sea fisheries one of your comrades in arms simon prince said in scarborough last week anglers catch to much and they should have bag limits and rod licences does this nugget realize just what he is saying in 1994 1.6 milloin pounds was estimated to go into the whitby economy through sea angling that figure is probably over 3 million now in 2008 that meeting was minuited and his words were recored i do hope his and your boss sees a bit more sense on this issue i am at a meeting with whitby counclil tommorow night people are now begining to ask questions but it would glad to hear the official stance being taken by the northestern sea fisheries just what they think charetboats no more in whitby people haveing to pay to fish in the sea jobs lost people are outraged by the thought of rod licences it is a tax nothing more anybody who thinks bigger and better fish will come with a licence are vastly mistaken t.

 

That isn't factually correct

Edited February 4, 2008 by glennk

[big_cod]

Hi Paul,

 

Ill have to reply, If you are to quote something you really need to get it right. He referred to charter boats and he said a quota system not bag limits.

 

 

Now corrected ?Thats even dafter as he was shot down in flames by the audience.

Edited February 4, 2008 by big_cod