Ken L 989 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Can you give an example of a scientist getting it wrong and deserving punishment? I can think of dozens of examples of papers being published containing experimental results and those results being inappropriately reported and sensationalised by the press, but not many examples where stuff was wrong. Andrew Wakefield and Hwang Woo-Suk spring to mind, but it turns out that thy were falsifying results for personal gain. I suppose the "cold fusion" debacle is about as close as you're going to get. Species caught in 2020: Barbel. European Eel. Bleak. Perch. Pike. Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel. Barbel. Bleak. Dace. Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel. Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp. Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak. Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub. Link to post Share on other sites
chesters1 1587 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) Anything not proved is opinion People are being paid for opinion As opinion isnt fact why do we hear it ? If anyone was paid for results not words it would be fine ,some scientists (most?) get a lifetimes wages and have not produced anything but opinion if their opinion is later to be found false then they should be punished for fraud ,very heavily punished to deter others from releasing opinion and only opinion If i get paid as a gardener and only think i have done gardening (and produced nothing ,no lawn stripes no weeding ,roses unpruned )i would be in court and punished for fraud but 'scientists' seem not to be bound by rules others have to follow and seemingly can spout anything without the need to back it up with proof The press dont magically "find" someones work its made available to drum up money so the opinion can carry on ,pay by results not promises just like everyone else is If you paid me to paint your door how long would you pay me to voice an opinion the door will be painted ,the door could be painted ,the door may be painted ,or the door is painted when you know i havnt ever seen the door ,a life time? I doubt you would pay a penny until the paint was on the door So why are we paying people that state theres a planet 65 trillion miles away that could be habitable without having to go there and prove it ? Its the god scam with maths money from suckers ,how many people in this world are paid because they say god exists but only they know without having to prove god exists ,its a well used scam and now the 'scientists' have got in the act Edited September 8, 2016 by chesters1 Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies! There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle Mathew 4:19 Grangers law : anything i say will turn out the opposite or not happen at all! Life insurance? you wont enjoy a penny! "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson Link to post Share on other sites
gozzer 942 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Anything not proved is opinion People are being paid for opinion As opinion isnt fact why do we hear it ? If anyone was paid for results not words it would be fine ,some scientists (most?) get a lifetimes wages and have not produced anything but opinion if their opinion is later to be found false then they should be punished for fraud ,very heavily punished to deter others from releasing opinion and only opinion If i get paid as a gardener and only think i have done gardening (and produced nothing ,no lawn stripes no weeding ,roses unpruned )i would be in court and punished for fraud but 'scientists' seem not to be bound by rules others have to follow and seemingly can spout anything without the need to back it up with proof The press dont magically "find" someones work its made available to drum up money so the opinion can carry on ,pay by results not promises just like everyone else is If you paid me to paint your door how long would you pay me to voice an opinion the door will be painted ,the door could be painted ,the door may be painted ,or the door is painted when you know i havnt ever seen the door ,a life time? I doubt you would pay a penny until the paint was on the door So why are we paying people that state theres a planet 65 trillion miles away that could be habitable without having to go there and prove it ? Its the god scam with maths money from suckers ,how many people in this world are paid because they say god exists but only they know without having to prove god exists ,its a well used scam and now the 'scientists' have got in the act Is that your considered opinion, Chesters? John. Angling is more than just catching fish, if it wasn't it would just be called 'catching'......... John Link to post Share on other sites
chesters1 1587 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) Its an opinion ,no need to consider anything the difference is i am not getting paid Edited September 8, 2016 by chesters1 Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies! There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle Mathew 4:19 Grangers law : anything i say will turn out the opposite or not happen at all! Life insurance? you wont enjoy a penny! "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson Link to post Share on other sites
Ken L 989 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 A simple "no" would have sufficed. 1 Species caught in 2020: Barbel. European Eel. Bleak. Perch. Pike. Species caught in 2019: Pike. Bream. Tench. Chub. Common Carp. European Eel. Barbel. Bleak. Dace. Species caught in 2018: Perch. Bream. Rainbow Trout. Brown Trout. Chub. Roach. Carp. European Eel. Species caught in 2017: Siamese carp. Striped catfish. Rohu. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Black Minnow Shark. Perch. Chub. Brown Trout. Pike. Bream. Roach. Rudd. Bleak. Common Carp. Species caught in 2016: Siamese carp. Jullien's golden carp. Striped catfish. Mekong catfish. Amazon red tail catfish. Arapaima. Alligator gar. Rohu. Black Minnow Shark. Roach, Bream, Perch, Ballan Wrasse. Rudd. Common Carp. Pike. Zander. Chub. Bleak. Species caught in 2015: Brown Trout. Roach. Bream. Terrapin. Eel. Barbel. Pike. Chub. Link to post Share on other sites
corydoras 469 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Anything not proved is opinion People are being paid for opinion As opinion isnt fact why do we hear it ? If anyone was paid for results not words it would be fine ,some scientists (most?) get a lifetimes wages and have not produced anything but opinion if their opinion is later to be found false then they should be punished for fraud ,very heavily punished to deter others from releasing opinion and only opinion If i get paid as a gardener and only think i have done gardening (and produced nothing ,no lawn stripes no weeding ,roses unpruned )i would be in court and punished for fraud but 'scientists' seem not to be bound by rules others have to follow and seemingly can spout anything without the need to back it up with proof The press dont magically "find" someones work its made available to drum up money so the opinion can carry on ,pay by results not promises just like everyone else is If you paid me to paint your door how long would you pay me to voice an opinion the door will be painted ,the door could be painted ,the door may be painted ,or the door is painted when you know i havnt ever seen the door ,a life time? I doubt you would pay a penny until the paint was on the door So why are we paying people that state theres a planet 65 trillion miles away that could be habitable without having to go there and prove it ? Its the god scam with maths money from suckers ,how many people in this world are paid because they say god exists but only they know without having to prove god exists ,its a well used scam and now the 'scientists' have got in the act Some 2/3 of working, publishing scientists are employed in the private sector. The "punishment" for consistent failure is your P45. The job off a scientist is not to prove you are correct it is to try and prove your peers are wrong. The problem isn't what people don't know, it's what they know that just ain't so.Vaut mieux ne rien dire et passer pour un con que de parler et prouver que t'en est un!Mi, ch’fais toudis à m’mote Link to post Share on other sites
corydoras 469 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Back on topic and hot of the press, or at least it was yesterday.http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/09/it-s-official-you-re-lost-directionless-universe?utm_source=sciencemagazine&utm_medium=facebook-text&utm_campaign=nodirection-7165 The problem isn't what people don't know, it's what they know that just ain't so.Vaut mieux ne rien dire et passer pour un con que de parler et prouver que t'en est un!Mi, ch’fais toudis à m’mote Link to post Share on other sites
Phone 750 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Chesters1, Lashes or the rack? Phone Link to post Share on other sites
chesters1 1587 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) Both plus more ,microwaving in 3" increments from the feet up should persuade them to buck up Edited September 9, 2016 by chesters1 Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you None of this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" crap it just means i have at least two enemies! There is only one opinion i listen to ,its mine and its ALWAYS right even when its wrong Its far easier to curse the darkness than light one candle Mathew 4:19 Grangers law : anything i say will turn out the opposite or not happen at all! Life insurance? you wont enjoy a penny! "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson Link to post Share on other sites
Phone 750 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) Ken, OK, so I have way to much time - of the 300,000 results for "scientific miscues" here are a few of my favorites. Darwin's notion of heredity Kelvin's Earth age estimate Hoyle's Big Bang Einstein's cosmological constant Very Cold Fusion, Duplicates the sun in a test tube releases hydrogen Chernobyl Medical misuse of antibiotics Or Fen-phen and this one for Chesters1 100 billion $$ was spent on Y2K Phone Edit: I left out some really good ones where punishment was rendered, sometime it was severe. (I love the internet) Edited September 9, 2016 by Phone Link to post Share on other sites
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