Outer Space....and....who are you...

[Ken L]

Can you give an example of a scientist getting it wrong and deserving punishment?

I can think of dozens of examples of papers being published containing experimental results and those results being inappropriately reported and sensationalised by the press, but not many examples where stuff was wrong.

Andrew Wakefield and Hwang Woo-Suk spring to mind, but it turns out that thy were falsifying results for personal gain.

 

I suppose the "cold fusion" debacle is about as close as you're going to get.

[chesters1]

Anything not proved is opinion

People are being paid for opinion

As opinion isnt fact why do we hear it ?

If anyone was paid for results not words it would be fine ,some scientists (most?) get a lifetimes wages and have not produced anything but opinion if their opinion is later to be found false then they should be punished for fraud ,very heavily punished to deter others from releasing opinion and only opinion

If i get paid as a gardener and only think i have done gardening (and produced nothing ,no lawn stripes no weeding ,roses unpruned )i would be in court and punished for fraud but 'scientists' seem not to be bound by rules others have to follow and seemingly can spout anything without the need to back it up with proof

The press dont magically "find" someones work its made available to drum up money so the opinion can carry on ,pay by results not promises just like everyone else is

If you paid me to paint your door how long would you pay me to voice an opinion the door will be painted ,the door could be painted ,the door may be painted ,or the door is painted when you know i havnt ever seen the door ,a life time? I doubt you would pay a penny until the paint was on the door

So why are we paying people that state theres a planet 65 trillion miles away that could be habitable without having to go there and prove it ? Its the god scam with maths money from suckers ,how many people in this world are paid because they say god exists but only they know without having to prove god exists ,its a well used scam and now the 'scientists' have got in the act

Edited September 8, 2016 by chesters1

[gozzer]

  On 9/8/2016 at 8:17 PM, chesters1 said:

Anything not proved is opinion

People are being paid for opinion

As opinion isnt fact why do we hear it ?

If anyone was paid for results not words it would be fine ,some scientists (most?) get a lifetimes wages and have not produced anything but opinion if their opinion is later to be found false then they should be punished for fraud ,very heavily punished to deter others from releasing opinion and only opinion

If i get paid as a gardener and only think i have done gardening (and produced nothing ,no lawn stripes no weeding ,roses unpruned )i would be in court and punished for fraud but 'scientists' seem not to be bound by rules others have to follow and seemingly can spout anything without the need to back it up with proof

The press dont magically "find" someones work its made available to drum up money so the opinion can carry on ,pay by results not promises just like everyone else is

If you paid me to paint your door how long would you pay me to voice an opinion the door will be painted ,the door could be painted ,the door may be painted ,or the door is painted when you know i havnt ever seen the door ,a life time? I doubt you would pay a penny until the paint was on the door

So why are we paying people that state theres a planet 65 trillion miles away that could be habitable without having to go there and prove it ? Its the god scam with maths money from suckers ,how many people in this world are paid because they say god exists but only they know without having to prove god exists ,its a well used scam and now the 'scientists' have got in the act

 

Is that your considered opinion, Chesters?

 

John.

[chesters1]

Its an opinion ,no need to consider anything the difference is i am not getting paid

Edited September 8, 2016 by chesters1

[Ken L]

A simple "no" would have sufficed.

[corydoras]

  On 9/8/2016 at 8:17 PM, chesters1 said:

Anything not proved is opinion

People are being paid for opinion

As opinion isnt fact why do we hear it ?

If anyone was paid for results not words it would be fine ,some scientists (most?) get a lifetimes wages and have not produced anything but opinion if their opinion is later to be found false then they should be punished for fraud ,very heavily punished to deter others from releasing opinion and only opinion

If i get paid as a gardener and only think i have done gardening (and produced nothing ,no lawn stripes no weeding ,roses unpruned )i would be in court and punished for fraud but 'scientists' seem not to be bound by rules others have to follow and seemingly can spout anything without the need to back it up with proof

The press dont magically "find" someones work its made available to drum up money so the opinion can carry on ,pay by results not promises just like everyone else is

If you paid me to paint your door how long would you pay me to voice an opinion the door will be painted ,the door could be painted ,the door may be painted ,or the door is painted when you know i havnt ever seen the door ,a life time? I doubt you would pay a penny until the paint was on the door

So why are we paying people that state theres a planet 65 trillion miles away that could be habitable without having to go there and prove it ? Its the god scam with maths money from suckers ,how many people in this world are paid because they say god exists but only they know without having to prove god exists ,its a well used scam and now the 'scientists' have got in the act

Some 2/3 of working, publishing scientists are employed in the private sector. The "punishment" for consistent failure is your P45.

 

The job off a scientist is not to prove you are correct it is to try and prove your peers are wrong.

[corydoras]

Back on topic and hot of the press, or at least it was yesterday.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/09/it-s-official-you-re-lost-directionless-universe?utm_source=sciencemagazine&utm_medium=facebook-text&utm_campaign=nodirection-7165

[Phone]

Chesters1,

 

Lashes or the rack?

 

Phone

[chesters1]

Both plus more ,microwaving in 3" increments from the feet up should persuade them to buck up

Edited September 9, 2016 by chesters1

[Phone]

Ken,

 

OK, so I have way to much time - of the 300,000 results for "scientific miscues" here are a few of my favorites.

 

Darwin's notion of heredity

Kelvin's Earth age estimate

Hoyle's Big Bang

Einstein's cosmological constant

Very Cold Fusion, Duplicates the sun in a test tube releases hydrogen

Chernobyl

Medical misuse of antibiotics

Or Fen-phen

 

and

this one for Chesters1

 

100 billion $$ was spent on Y2K

 

Phone

 

Edit: I left out some really good ones where punishment was rendered, sometime it was severe. (I love the internet)

Edited September 9, 2016 by Phone