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Poll: BREXIT in or out (42 member(s) have cast votes)

should the u k remain in or leave the E U

  1. vote to stay in (8 votes [19.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.05%

  2. vote to stay in following e u rule change (2 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

  3. vote to leave (32 votes [76.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 76.19%

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#4121 barry luxton

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 05:24 AM

big_cod, on 06 Oct 2017 - 18:07, said:

my mate Leary nice man flights going up got a long way to go I don't know where you got that from I got an email this morning offering flights for £5 to France and guess what bas my brother who is married to his German wife just got a return flight to Hamburg and back for £20 with Ryanair it cost you more for a taxi to the airport than your flight good old Ryanair.✈️✈️✈️

Flights £5 to France https://www.ryanair.com/gb/en/

 

 

Here's why, what happens when someone falls asleep at the controls.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...ngland-41384789


 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 07:18 AM

 
 
Here's why, what happens when someone falls asleep at the controls.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk...ngland-41384789

Cash is king barry £20 return to Alicante love it fabulas 😎🤸‍♂️

Teresa we are all behind you that's the headlines this morning what they don't tell is all those ready to stab her in back plenty of smiling assassins a dead woman walking don't you agree barry .

Have a look in the telegraph today bas the EU are stepping up talks with labour as the EU expect this Tory government to collapse at any moment I have to agree it's only a matter time the rot is begging to smell now and you know what is splitting the Tory party only 1 guess now you've got it BREXIT it will destroy the Tory party .the average age of a Tory party member is 71 years yes 71 the younger generation are not brainwashed by the right wing media a massive change is coming in this country

Brexit is looking more and more shaky by the day


How low will Teresa go thus is our PM doesn't make good reading

http://evolvepolitic...ure-became-pm/.

Edited by big_cod, 07 October 2017 - 09:05 AM.

http://sea-otter2.co.uk/

Probably Whitby's most consistent charterboat

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 06:54 AM

big_cod, on 07 Oct 2017 - 08:17, said:

Cash is king barry £20 return to Alicante love it fabulas ‍♂️

Teresa we are all behind you that's the headlines this morning what they don't tell is all those ready to stab her in back plenty of smiling assassins a dead woman walking don't you agree barry .

Have a look in the telegraph today bas the EU are stepping up talks with labour as the EU expect this Tory government to collapse at any moment I have to agree it's only a matter time the rot is begging to smell now and you know what is splitting the Tory party only 1 guess now you've got it BREXIT it will destroy the Tory party .the average age of a Tory party member is 71 years yes 71 the younger generation are not brainwashed by the right wing media a massive change is coming in this country

Brexit is looking more and more shaky by the day


How low will Teresa go thus is our PM doesn't make good reading

http://evolvepolitic...ure-became-pm/.

 

 

surely you don't believe the government to fold do you. Much the same as the e u reading it wrong and carrying out their intransigent so called negotiations.  Both you and the manderins need reminding that the government won with 44% of the vote very recently with the labour admin 60 odd mp's short.

 

What has labour got to offer brexit. Only what the e u are offering. Where would they find the cash to pay the manderins this fictitious invoice?

 

http://www.express.c...y-corbyn-Labour


Edited by barry luxton, 08 October 2017 - 07:37 AM.

 Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.

 
New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.
 
Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.
 
Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.
 
new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.
 
Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because  they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are.. 


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Posted 08 October 2017 - 09:20 AM

There is every chance of the government folding. It is very weak, terribly split, fractious and propped up by the UDP! It is undeniably the most fragile government we've had in decades.

On the other hand Corbyn's Labour look stronger every day and their policy on Brexit much more reassuring that the Tories. Its not saying much but compared to the disgraced Fox, the simple Davis and the self-centred buffoon Johnson Labour's Brexit team of Starmer and Gardner looks serious and trustworthy. Plus, they have a plan! They understand that leaving the single market will be disastrous for the UK's economy and in the name of protecting jobs and our industry want to stay in. And BTW, despite what the mass media say, this has always been the parties stance.

With May's supremely weak conference speech and her acceptance of Labour policies it can only be a matter of weeks before her vicious, backbiting party take her down. Then there is likely to be a bloodbath with that juvenile loose cannon Johnson taking a central part. The issue of the EU, always the Tory Party's Achilles heel could even split it.

So, personally I am becoming more hopeful every day. The odds on a better scenario for Britain is getting ever more likely.

* Tory government falls apart amongst infighting
* Labour win election but with no majority
* Labour form government with lib Dems accepting Lib Dem condition of referendum on final Brexit deal.
* The UK votes again, but this time with knowledge of what Brexit actually is and what it will mean for our country.

This final vote, truly democratic as it will be taken by an informed electorate will be seen as final by all and accepted, hopefully going some way to heal the damaging divide this issue has so clearly brought about in our population.

The icing on the cake of course would be the Tory party splitting. This would remove the greatest obstacle to the UK becoming a modern democracy that places its own citizens at the heart of its policies.

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Barry. Our government has failed to guarantee the rights of EU nationals in Britain or addressed the Irish border. Many people (and the EU) believe they should before talks go any further. Currently there are millions of people who cannot plan their futures and are living in fear and insecurity. And we cannot see the bad old days of the Troubles resurge and our government's Brexit policy (and deal with the UDP) is making this much more likely.

You do know that the owner of the Express, pornographer Richard Desmond is using that excuse for a newspaper to brainwash you and your ilk and is leading you by the nose to your own poverty? The rag has always been Britain's main outlet for Fake News, well before the term was even invented.

As for money. There's no magic money tree, unless you need to pay the UDP billions to prop up your party in government. But seriously, if we leave the worlds largest single market there really will be no money.

I read your article in the Express, despite what I think of that newspaper and its owner. Are you open-minded enough to read this article by Nick Clegg in the Guardian?

https://www.theguard...ries-nick-clegg

Edited by Smt, 08 October 2017 - 10:17 AM.

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 11:19 AM

I read your link, and came to the conclusion that Clegg, is a sad desperate little man seeking a way back from his past lies. He's saying that the Labour lied to the remain group by keeping quiet about wanting out of the EU. He then suggests that we join them and they will renege on their present promise to uphold the referendum result!  All this while the Labour Party is holding private  meetings with the EU about brexit, and the future of the UK. 

 I have never voted Tory, and will never vote Labour while Corbyn and his cronies are in charge.

If the referendum result is overturned, then I believe that the social unrest it will cause, will put this country back decades. After all why should anyone accept the new result, when a precedent was made with the first one? 

 

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 11:55 AM

I read your link, and came to the conclusion that Clegg, is a sad desperate little man seeking a way back from his past lies. He's saying that the Labour lied to the remain group by keeping quiet about wanting out of the EU. He then suggests that we join them and they will renege on their present promise to uphold the referendum result!  All this while the Labour Party is holding private  meetings with the EU about brexit, and the future of the UK. 
 I have never voted Tory, and will never vote Labour while Corbyn and his cronies are in charge.
If the referendum result is overturned, then I believe that the social unrest it will cause, will put this country back decades. After all why should anyone accept the new result, when a precedent was made with the first one? 

How differently people can read an article! He's suggesting that Labour and Tory Remain supporters join the parties and try to persuade their leadership to represent them. What's wrong with that? There is currently no main party that represents the 48.2% who want to stay in the EU.

The only lie Clegg made I'm aware of was with regard to tuition fees. Otherwise they did a reasonable job of blunting a vicious Tory sword. What other lies are you referring to?

I don't think he's suggesting that the Labour Party have lied to their supporters. Corbyn's Labour have always been upfront about upholding the result of the referendum and leaving the EU. There has never been any doubt about that. (You might bear in mind that its possible to leave the EU but still retain membership of the single market, a la Norway, via the EEA and EFTA).

What is incredible that you chose to ignore the bulk of the article, the fact that voters have been manipulated by a very small number of extremely rich men. This is the crux of the matter. The (very) slim majority gained in the referendum was owned by these men and their lies. The electorate were both uniformed and misled.

If we leave the EU the UK will be so badly screwed that it is imperative we have a vote by an electorate that is informed, not one that has been fed lies. That is proper democracy. There may be some unrest but if we crash out of the EU in a way that seems likely with the Tories at the helm the ensuing chaos and poverty is likely to see a much more intense and long lasting unrest as people compete for greatly diminished resources.

Democracy is having an informed vote on the deal to Leave the EU. If the Tories crash us out then its crucial we have a vote. There may be many people who voted Leave who will understand the horrors of a hard Brexit and not want any of it. They should have a voice, shouldn't they? Or would you deny them? And as I said in my last post this vote would be accepted as unlike the last one the electorate would be informed.

Also, what is it you don't like about Corbyn? His policies seem sound to me (especially nationalisation of our crucial utilities) and no more extreme than those found in practice in countries like Germany, Sweden, Norway or Denmark... all very peaceable, educated and wealthy countries. In fact its the first proper Labour Party I've seen, a party that tries to work for the majority of its citizens. All recent versions have been merely pale imitations of the Tory Party.

It is sad that we are both disenfranchised. You don't feel represented by either main party and as a Remained neither do I. The difference is that I have put aside that horrible fact Labour support Brexit (and that I don't think Corbyn will make a good prime minister) because I support almost all the party's main policies and I am certain that the Tory party is extremely bad for the vast majority of the British people.

Edited by Smt, 08 October 2017 - 12:11 PM.

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 01:01 PM

If people wanted to remain the liberals would be the government now ,remove the votes for liberals and whats left is a vast part of the population wanting to get out ,far more than in the referendum

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 01:13 PM

If people wanted to remain the liberals would be the government now ,remove the votes for liberals and whats left is a vast part of the population wanting to get out ,far more than in the referendum

 
Do you really believe that? If so, you are sadly deluded (or swallowed the Express lies hook, line and sinker).  :-)
 
Hardly anyone voted for the Lib Dems because they are a minority party with no chance of getting in. The majority of people who voted Labour (and the vast majority of their huge membership) want to Remain. But as I said, there is no large Remain party to vote for. In the main people voted for Labour policies, not because they want to leave the EU. This is backed up by polls, especially amongst the Labour membership itself.

Edited by Smt, 08 October 2017 - 01:24 PM.

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 01:23 PM

No its logic ,if you want to stay you vote for the only party who say they will ,you dont vote for the tories who pretend to want to leave and you dont vote for the labour party who say they will follow the majority of peoples wishes IE want out .if people really wanted out the liberal minory would become a liberal majority and they would be in power and by being in power keep us in the EU as their manifesto stated

Simple logic its no different voting for a party who wants to banish hanging and death sentences,you dont vote for a party that says it wont hang em but strangle them the end is still the same if you want to banish death sentences you vote for the party it says will obolish death sentences anything else is agreeing with death sentences

None of the 3 major parties want out but the libs were the only one to admit it and invite votes on the basis of it ,you didnt vote liberal you wanted out!

PS i believe nothing anyone says as i make obvious in the blue stuff you cannot see in the mobile version

All parties come with things you dont want ,if you voted labour you may stay in but you got a lot of unions bringing in their crap and you sitting at a station anywhere in the country thats trains are not running because labours string pullers want more power.
If you vote tory you get their shite
If you vote liberal you get theirs but amongst that is the promise they will remain in so you get your wish if you want it

Edited by chesters1, 08 October 2017 - 01:33 PM.

Believe NOTHING anyones says or writes unless you witness  it yourself and even then your eyes can deceive you

 

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 01:30 PM

No its logic ,if you want to stay you vote for the only party who say they will


YOU might say that but its not what happened. I, along with many, many Remainers voted Labour. In common with the vast majority of Remainers I would not vote Lib Dem (unless it as the only way to keep a Tory out of my constituency).

My mere existence proves you are wrong I am afraid. You do no surprise me though, if there is one defining character of Leavers it is their ability to hold an opinion despite the wealth of evidence showing that the opposite is true.
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