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Yet...The carp were introduced about 150yrs ago, and found the conditions to their liking.

Many waters over here have only had them introduced over the last 30yrs, and even if the conditions make spawning sporadic, then the constant topping up will ensure that their numbers increase.

 

John.

 

But we do not have the plague preportion problems that they have, but I can not predict what may happen in the future hopefully we will never reach such levels like that here.

 

You can say told you so in about 120 years time.

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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Not forgetting the sooties. They may not grow huge but the are pugnacious little devils and are guarenteed to put a smile on your face with light tackle - just remember not to wade out....

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Am i the only one that doesn't see the big deal about Carp? Don't get me wrong i hate the overstocked featureless puddles but in general i have no problem with carp and enjoy catching them now and then. They were stocked by monks hundreds of years ago so it's not a new thing, i think crayfish are more of a problem and rather than chucking carp up the bank i think crayfish are much more of a menace, with more serious consequences. I don't think you can say carp are over running our rivers as they are still fairly sparce. I'm going to be hung by the anti carp squad out there, but i really don't see why they are seen as such a danger

 

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As famous fisherman John Gierach once said "I used to like fishing because I thought it had some larger significance. Now I like fishing because it's the one thing I can think of that probably doesn't."

 

 

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Why? They dont taste that bad. B)

 

 

Yes they do, most Carp flesh tastes of mud :yucky: .

 

The only nice bit is the cheek, slice that off and throw away the rest.

 

Twenty 10lb Carp cheeks produces enough for one portion :thumbs:

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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Yes they do, most Carp flesh tastes of mud :yucky: .

 

The only nice bit is the cheek, slice that off and throw away the rest.

 

Twenty 10lb Carp cheeks produces enough for one portion :thumbs:

 

Depends how you prepare it. A Romanian friend invited me to a meal at his house recently, and it was carp.

Very nice it was too.

 

Didn't ask him how it was prepared as i get plenty of fish anyway. It was nice though.

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Am i the only one that doesn't see the big deal about Carp? Don't get me wrong i hate the overstocked featureless puddles but in general i have no problem with carp and enjoy catching them now and then. They were stocked by monks hundreds of years ago so it's not a new thing, i think crayfish are more of a problem and rather than chucking carp up the bank i think crayfish are much more of a menace, with more serious consequences. I don't think you can say carp are over running our rivers as they are still fairly sparce. I'm going to be hung by the anti carp squad out there, but i really don't see why they are seen as such a danger

 

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No hanging Dave, and really no "anti carp squad", though it suits some to think that there is.

 

I said on another thread that although the carp have been here hundreds of years, it's only in the last 20 to 30 yrs that there has been a problem.

 

Like you, I enjoy catching a variety of species, but the artificial stocking of carp over the last few years, has/is causing an artificial change in the balance of species. I would still be moaning if this stocking policy involved species other than carp.

If you have a water that can naturally support a fixed weight of fish, with food to suit different species at various stages in their development. You then add a very hardy species that will eat just about anything, from minute invertebrates, to small fish, and have a habit of 'grubbing' about in weed and the bed of the water, thus altering the 'structure' of the water. You have a situation in which the resident fish are going to suffer.

Which species would you like to see decline because of this?

 

It has happened in the past when barbel have been introduced into new waters, also when bream are stocked in numbers, its just that carp happen to be the 'money makers', easy to breed, and therefore popular, so they are the ones causing the problems.

 

John.

Angling is more than just catching fish, if it wasn't it would just be called 'catching'......... John

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Elton,

 

In all my born put-togethers I have never seen the word Aussie and carp in the same sentense without at least SOME controversy...

 

Haven't been there so of course, I don't know. But if conditions are right - LOOK OUT!!

 

Vagabond,

How heavily fished are the predators that would keep carp fry in check? Are predators "re-introduced" by govenrnment programs? It won't matter after the carp are "yearlings".

 

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How heavily fished are the predators that would keep carp fry in check?

 

ARE there any predators that "keep carp fry in check" ?

 

The main problem in Oz is that carp muddy the waters, and the Aussie native predators need clear water to breed.

 

Don't be too complacent about it, every time I visit Texas to fish, there seems to be an increasing number of carp in the local lake.

 

The only sure thing that does keep carp fry in check is a cold winter - which is why carp have not been a problem in natural waters the UK - until the last 30 years, since when "carp lovers" have been stocking every water they can reach (Section 30? "Wots that then?")

 

Southern USA, like Australia, cannot expect a cold winter anytime soon

 

 

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World species 471 : UK species 105 : English species 95 .

Certhia's world species - 215

Eclectic "husband and wife combined" world species 501

 

"Nothing matters very much, few things matter at all" - Plato

...only things like fresh bait and cold beer...

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Depends how you prepare it. A Romanian friend invited me to a meal at his house recently, and it was carp.

Very nice it was too.

 

I used to think that - had tried carp - it was disgusting.

Perhaps its in the preparation (we thought).

 

 

So, when Norma and I visited Romania about fifteen years ago, we went to a classy restaurant in Bucharesti which offered a variety of fish and was reputed to be famous for them. We agreed to order two different fish dishes and share them.

 

One was zander - it was delicious

 

The other was carp - it was disgusting.

 

No - anyone who likes carp is welcome to all they can eat - but not for me, thanks all the same.

 

 

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World species 471 : UK species 105 : English species 95 .

Certhia's world species - 215

Eclectic "husband and wife combined" world species 501

 

"Nothing matters very much, few things matter at all" - Plato

...only things like fresh bait and cold beer...

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Vagabond,

 

Well, it's true. In the famous words of the Appolo astronauts who lost their source of fresh air whilst in orbit, "Houston, we have a problem". That could not ring truer anywhere in the world than it does in many lakes in the United States when it comes to common carp populations.

 

The only example that comes to mind where balancing carp populations was achieved by balancing predator populations was in Horicon Marsh in Wisconsin. I am speaking in terms of government projects. In fact, as you imply, it takes a very agressive stock of fish to control carp.

 

Good or bad, carp are survivors. I cringe at the thought since they are not species specific but the word OTT----- comes to mind, at least they are native.

 

As for eating carp. It's actually better than walleye (zander). You just have to aquire a taste for the subtle flavorings of heavy metals like mercury.

 

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