Pike Anglers: Compulsory Courses?

[Sportsman]

Just let the students fish for an hour or two before the coarse starts

 

Take your point but might defeat the object.

No

What we need is Pete the resusci Pike. A life sized battery powered model with realistic teeth and razor sharp gill rakers to punish those who weren't paying attention. It could have a realistic oesophagus with replaceable lining and an evertable (?) stomach for the advanced courses. It could also be programmed to struggle at the worst possible moment, just like a real fish.

Reusable indefinitely it shouldn't cost much over a thousand pounds.

Problem is to recoup the investment the club will have to start charging.

 

If the club is charging then the students on the course will expect (quite reasonably) a certain standard of presentation skills. They don't come cheap.

 

Then club A down the road will start to cut corners on kit and presenters so they can offer their course cheaper as an inducement to come and fish in their lake.

 

To counteract this someone will have to set a minimum standard of equipment and presenter qualifications (A.T.? P.A.C.?)

 

To make sure that clubs are abiding by the minimum standards then representatives of the standard setting body will have to visit the clubs to assess and monitor the quality of their training (at a price, to be recouped by the club in higher charges)

 

The clubs will decide that they can't afford to meet the requirements so they will all contract out their training to a regional training centre which will run courses once a month.

 

To fill up their empty classrooms for the other three weeks the training centres will have to think up lots of other courses that they can run and then work out how much they can charge for awarding certificates of competency.

 

Then of course, the certificate holders will need an annual refresher and re-qualification course.

 

And so on and so on.

 

Couldn't happen? it already has - in many many subjects.

[Sportsman]

You don't need a real pike, dead or alive.

Just a fake one with a couple of razor blades under the gill flaps, and a couple of dozen 10mm carpet tacks sticking out of its mouth.

You'll soon get the idea.

 

John.

 

I think we were posting at the same time John.

Yours just lacks ambition

[Dales]

I do hope that Budgie is getting a better response on the PAC forum. Because even though I have my doubts about the idea, I am surprised by just how anti the idea a lot of us have been.

[gozzer]

I do hope that Budgie is getting a better response on the PAC forum. Because even though I have my doubts about the idea, I am surprised by just how anti the idea a lot of us have been.

 

I don't think it has been very anti Stephen, just a recognition of the reality of such a scheme.

I'm not surprised that people have baulked at the idea of compulsory teaching.

It's been said often enough, that any club or individual who runs a fishery can do it if they wish. But apart from the impracticalities of having it on every water, it would also need legislation in place, and some kind of inspectorate to help maintain a standard. All of which would cost money, and wouldn't stop bad practice among those who don't care anyway.

So apart from schemes run by individual clubs, or persons, the whole thing is a non starter.

 

John.

[Phone]

Gozzer,

 

I know among carp anglers there is pretty much an established hierarchy. Is is true of the "predator" species as well.

 

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[Dales]

I just wonder are we just a bunch of very cynical guys and girls, who will always pick holes in everything and so such schemes with out enough backing are doomed to fail on an kind of large scale. Then at other times I think we are being realistic about the limitations of some things and only pointing out the obvious

flaws and likely outcome.

Edited January 20, 2012 by Dales

[Phone]

Dales,

 

Yes

 

Phone

[azrael]

sounds like a good idea

[gozzer]

Gozzer,

 

I know among carp anglers there is pretty much an established hierarchy. Is is true of the "predator" species as well.

 

Phone

 

Sorry for the delay phone, I missed your post.

 

Some people think there is, but to many it's more about ego, and self promotion. Some of the best anglers I've met have been unassuming, down to earth guys. Others that have had a modicum of success, and it's gone to their heads, (you feel like they want you to pay them to speak to you).

I don't believe in a hierarchy in any branch of angling, some are successful in some ways, others successful in different ways, it all depends on how you judge such things.

I can see how it might work in competitive angling, with leagues and such, but not otherwise.

 

John.

[Phone]

Gozzer,

 

Thx. Cultural differences and the use of guides make professional "guiding" very stratified. They have to "put up or shut up". Bad reports go around the world while good results are putting on socks.

 

Just don't see, in the carp mags, much about top notch "predator" specialists in the UK.

 

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