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Pike Anglers: Compulsory Courses?

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  1. 1. As an experienced pike angler would you object to having to attend a "handling/Unhooking" course prior to being able to fish a water for pike?

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I have had a couple of quite serious confrontations with "pike anglers" who bivvie up and sleep. They both denied ever deep hooking a pike,I expressed "some doubt". It didn't go down to well. I then suggested that "It's a good job you never catch any".....................not spoken to me since :) :)

 

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Arguing against night fishing for other species just shows a lack of knowledge about what can be very complex and valid forms of fishing.

 

 

I'm not arguing against night fishing , but rather night sleeping, while rods are cast out. Of course you consider some 'lacking in knowledge' for surley you know it all? No need to complicate or justify practices by calling them 'complex' I imagine that lots of us have night fished for a wholr range of species, for me the main night quarry has been sea trout and one can't sleep waist deep on a pitch dark moonless night. Trout in the Canadian rockies, Wels and yes even carp in France and Germany, amberjacks in the Med and eels all over the place.

 

What would you like to tell us about (in a new thread) that you know and others don't?

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Absolutely right, and I'm sure a lot of it does go on when some anglers swap their boilies in the summer for herrings in the winter, and through simple ignorance think that everything else stays the same. What you are arguing against is exactly what would teach them that isn't the case!

 

Arguing against night fishing for other species just shows a lack of knowledge about what can be very complex and valid forms of fishing. I'd be happy to go into this in depth if you want to start a different topic.

 

 

You need to come on one of my night fishing courses so that I can show you the CORRECT way to do it ;)

Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.

 

 

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I'm not arguing against night fishing , but rather night sleeping, while rods are cast out. Of course you consider some 'lacking in knowledge' for surley you know it all? No need to complicate or justify practices by calling them 'complex' I imagine that lots of us have night fished for a wholr range of species, for me the main night quarry has been sea trout and one can't sleep waist deep on a pitch dark moonless night. Trout in the Canadian rockies, Wels and yes even carp in France and Germany, amberjacks in the Med and eels all over the place.

 

What would you like to tell us about (in a new thread) that you know and others don't?

 

Your tactics of diversion and taking examples to the extreme aren't going to work on me :) But no, I don't think sleeping while wading a river at night is a good idea, and nor is trying to force everyone in Cumbria to take a compulsory pike exam. Once again you are finding personal offence where there is none. Pointing out a lack of knowledge is not a personal attack (it happens to me all the time ;) I don't mind) and if you really want to talk about night fishing/sleeping for other species, you can start a new topic.

 

Everyone is lacking in knowledge, it's just that some aren't too proud or stubborn to accept that fact. It's the others I would describe as know-it-alls. On topic, very often they are the ones who get into problems when piking.

 

Biyying up and sleeping while piking, however, is seriously bad news. To someone who has done a fair bit of carping or similar though, that probably isn't obvious. A teach-in provides them with that knowledge, and it is then up to them to fish sensibly once they've got that gruelling, humilliating 2-hour session done and got their freedom back :)

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You need to come on one of my night fishing courses so that I can show you the CORRECT way to do it ;)

 

Nah, it's OK, I know it all so I'll just have a go without any interfering. If I have to cut a trace, who cares - the hooks will disolve in the stomach anyway :rolleyes:

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This whole thing is getting stupid, with attempted 'oneupmanship' beginning to be the theme.

 

To be honest, most have agreed to the main point of the question. That is, if those who control a water want to make a 'pike handling course' a compulsory prerequisite of fishing their water, then they can. If anyone doesn't like it, then they fish elsewhere. It's as simple as that. No need to argue.

 

If however someone is proposing a similar National scheme, then it's a different matter, and will, (I fear), lead to more legislation.

 

I object to the assumption that all those who speak out against the scheme do so because they are "too proud/arrogant to accept tuition/advice". This was the assumption made in the original question, and was changed.

 

I wonder what would happen if an "experienced pike angler" went to a fishery, and was taught/shown something that they knew/thought was wrong?

Would they correct the 'tutor', risk an argument, and expulsion from the fishery?

Correct the 'tutor', and leave?

Report it to the PAC?

 

It is the owners fishery after all, and they say what does or doesn't happen.

 

John.

Angling is more than just catching fish, if it wasn't it would just be called 'catching'......... John

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To be honest, most have agreed to the main point of the question. That is, if those who control a water want to make a 'pike handling course' a compulsory prerequisite of fishing their water, then they can. If anyone doesn't like it, then they fish elsewhere. It's as simple as that. No need to argue.

 

If however someone is proposing a similar National scheme, then it's a different matter, and will, (I fear), lead to more legislation.

 

That's what I also think :thumbs:

Stephen

 

Species Caught 2014

Zander, Pike, Bream, Roach, Tench, Perch, Rudd, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Eel, Grayling, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout

Species Caught 2013

Pike, Zander, Bream, Roach, Eel, Tench, Rudd, Perch, Common Carp, Koi Carp, Brown Goldfish, Grayling, Brown Trout, Chub, Roosterfish, Dorado, Black Grouper, Barracuda, Mangrove Snapper, Mutton Snapper, Jack Crevalle, Tarpon, Red Snapper

Species Caught 2012
Zander, Pike, Perch, Chub, Ruff, Gudgeon, Dace, Minnow, Wels Catfish, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Roach, Bream, Eel, Rudd, Tench, Arapaima, Mekong Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Marbled Tiger Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Thai Redtail Catfish, Batrachian Walking Catfish, Siamese Carp, Rohu, Julliens Golden Prize Carp, Giant Gourami, Java Barb, Red Tailed Tin Foil Barb, Nile Tilapia, Black Pacu, Red Bellied Pacu, Alligator Gar
Species Caught 2011
Zander, Tench, Bream, Chub, Barbel, Roach, Rudd, Grayling, Brown Trout, Salmon Parr, Minnow, Pike, Eel, Common Carp, Mirror Carp, Ghost Carp, Koi Carp, Crucian Carp, F1 Carp, Blue Orfe, Ide, Goldfish, Brown Goldfish, Comet Goldfish, Golden Tench, Golden Rudd, Perch, Gudgeon, Ruff, Bleak, Dace, Sergeant Major, French Grunt, Yellow Tail Snapper, Tom Tate Grunt, Clown Wrasse, Slippery Dick Wrasse, Doctor Fish, Graysby, Dusky Squirrel Fish, Longspine Squirrel Fish, Stripped Croaker, Leather Jack, Emerald Parrot Fish, Red Tail Parrot Fish, White Grunt, Bone Fish
Species Caught 2010
Zander, Pike, Perch, Eel, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Mirror Carp, Common Carp, Crucian Carp, Siamese Carp, Asian Redtail Catfish, Sawai Catfish, Rohu, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Pacu, Long Tom, Moon Wrasse, Sergeant Major, Green Damsel, Tomtate Grunt, Sea Chub, Yellowtail Surgeon, Black Damsel, Blue Dot Grouper, Checkered Sea Perch, Java Rabbitfish, One Spot Snapper, Snubnose Rudderfish
Species Caught 2009
Barramundi, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Wallago Leeri Catfish, Wallago Attu Catfish, Amazon Redtail Catfish, Mrigul, Siamese Carp, Java Barb, Tarpon, Wahoo, Barracuda, Skipjack Tuna, Bonito, Yellow Eye Rockfish, Red Snapper, Mangrove Snapper, Black Fin Snapper, Dog Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Marble Grouper, Black Fin Tuna, Spanish Mackerel, Mutton Snapper, Redhind Grouper, Saddle Grouper, Schoolmaster, Coral Trout, Bar Jack, Pike, Zander, Perch, Tench, Bream, Roach, Rudd, Common Carp, Golden Tench, Wels Catfish
Species Caught 2008
Dorado, Wahoo, Barracuda, Bonito, Black Fin Tuna, Long Tom, Sergeant Major, Red Snapper, Black Damsel, Queen Trigga Fish, Red Grouper, Redhind Grouper, Rainbow Wrasse, Grey Trigger Fish, Ehrenbergs Snapper, Malabar Grouper, Lunar Fusiler, Two Tone Wrasse, Starry Dragonet, Convict Surgeonfish, Moonbeam Dwarf Angelfish,Bridled Monocle Bream, Redlined Triggerfish, Cero Mackeral, Rainbow Runner
Species Caught 2007
Arapaima, Alligator Gar, Mekong Catfish, Spotted Sorubim Catfish, Pacu, Siamese Carp, Barracuda, Black Fin Tuna, Queen Trigger Fish, Red Snapper, Yellow Tail Snapper, Honeycomb Grouper, Red Grouper, Schoolmaster, Cubera Snapper, Black Grouper, Albacore, Ballyhoo, Coney, Yellowfin Goatfish, Lattice Spinecheek

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Another thought. Who do you think the powers that be would turn to for advice on what should go into such a scheme? Why none other than our national body that represents/governs the whole of angling. And wouldn't they just love it? :rtfm::nono:

 

John.

 

Never has there been a truer word said John! God the thought of our present "governing/representative body" being heeded on such matters fills me with dread!

And thats my "non indicative opinion"!

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Never has there been a truer word said John! God the thought of our present "governing/representative body" being heeded on such matters fills me with dread!

 

gawed, i just went from hot to cold reading yours and yours quoted. Just think while i'm afloat out on the briney somewhere and a trust enforecment rib turns up, to offer, errrr their advice. Certainly turns my guts thinking about it. :lol:

Free to choose apart from the ones where the trust poked their nose in. Common eel. tope. Bass and sea bream. All restricted.


New for 2016 TAT are the main instigators for the demise of the u k bass charter boat industry, where they went screaming off to parliament and for the first time assisting so called angling gurus set up bass take bans with the e u using rubbish exaggerated info collected by ices from anglers, they must be very proud.

Upgrade, the door has been closed with regards to anglers being linked to the e u superstate and the failed c f p. So TAT will no longer need to pay monies to the EAA anymore as that org is no longer relevant to the u k . Goodbye to the europeon anglers alliance and pathetic restrictions from the e u.

Angling is better than politics, ban politics from angling.

Consumer of bass. where is the evidence that the u k bass stock need angling trust protection. Why won't you work with your peers instead of castigating them. They have the answer.

Recipie's for mullet stew more than welcomed.

Angling sanitation trust and kent and sussex sea anglers org delete's and blocks rsa's alternative opinion on their face book site. Although they claim to rep all.

new for 2014. where is the evidence that the south coast bream stock need the angling trust? Your campaign has no evidence. Why won't you work with your peers, the inshore under tens? As opposed to alienating them? Angling trust failed big time re bait digging, even fish legal attempted to intervene and failed, all for what, nothing.

Looks like the sea angling reps have been coerced by the ifca's to compose sea angling strategy's that the ifca's at some stage will look at drafting into legislation to manage the rsa, because they like wasting tax payers money. That's without asking the rsa btw. You know who you are..

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That's what I also think :thumbs:

 

Be careful Stephen, I think that's twice you've agreed with me. It won't do much for your street, bankside cred'. :D

 

No one decided to answer my question?

 

What would you do if the advice given at a tutorial, conflicted with what you thought/knew?

 

John.

Angling is more than just catching fish, if it wasn't it would just be called 'catching'......... John

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