Boat hire

[barry luxton]

My last word on the subject.

I believe, based on MANY years of teaching and practicing marine survival and rescue that anyone who goes on the water, be that lake, river or sea, without a life jacket is stupid beyond belief.

That includes canoes, kayaks, rowing boats, motor boats, inflatables, fishing boats private and charter and anything else that floats.

 

There is NO reason not to wear a life jacket these days.

 

I also believe in the freedom of the individual to be as stupid as they like as long as they don't put others at risk. Unfortunately they so often do.

 

To anyone reading this who isn't convinced, trust me, life jackets save lives.

 

No evidence re charter boats then or the amount of times you have claimed that the rnli have been rescuing the charter boat anglers. Nor justifying your claim that charter boat anglers are stupid. You forgot to commend the charter boat skippers and guys who have spent years organising events and fund raising for the rnli, if you have nothing else to add, go away as you have intimated a few times now. see yer.

[barry luxton]

off topic, hey ho,

 

this will save a few lives and is worth supporting, not so much anglers, few heart attacks and cuts but divers in particular, during the summer you can hear coastguard and the helicopters liaizing, mainly divers who come up too fast, however there are an enormous amount of boats etc out in this part of the coast in particular during the summer, split heads, sailing vessels are quite frequent and dingeys, not forgetting the shore based activities. :

 

http://www.thisisdorset.co.uk/Nearly-10-00...tail/story.html

[Sportsman]

No evidence re charter boats then or the amount of times you have claimed that the rnli have been rescuing the charter boat anglers. Nor justifying your claim that charter boat anglers are stupid. You forgot to commend the charter boat skippers and guys who have spent years organising events and fund raising for the rnli, if you have nothing else to add, go away as you have intimated a few times now. see yer.

 

Do you have a problem with reading?

Maybe you just have a problem with understanding

Or is it that you just see what you want to see.

Let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say your just a bit, well, thick.

 

I have copied what I said. Here it is.

 

I still see Kn*bs standing up casting fly rods in the middle of reservoirs or charter boats with not one person wearing a life jacket or immersion suit.

When the boat founders you don't have time to find one and put it on.

Ask someone to take a risk in their job and it is "no way am I doing that" and yet they are happy to do it for fun.

Problem is the RNLI have to wast time and resources searching for the body

 

Now maybe you will tell me what "evidence" I am supposed to supply re charter boats. That I have seen them or that people on them don't wear life jackets. I think that you have supplied that yourself don't you.

Maybe you could also tell when I mentioned the RNLI searching for charter boat anglers.

Justifying my claim that charter boat anglers are stupid?? keep going, your doing that for me.

[big_cod]

Do you have a problem with reading?

Maybe you just have a problem with understanding

Or is it that you just see what you want to see.

Let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say your just a bit, well, thick.

 

I have copied what I said. Here it is.

 

I still see Kn*bs standing up casting fly rods in the middle of reservoirs or charter boats with not one person wearing a life jacket or immersion suit.

When the boat founders you don't have time to find one and put it on.

Ask someone to take a risk in their job and it is "no way am I doing that" and yet they are happy to do it for fun.

Problem is the RNLI have to wast time and resources searching for the body

 

Now maybe you will tell me what "evidence" I am supposed to supply re charter boats. That I have seen them or that people on them don't wear life jackets. I think that you have supplied that yourself don't you.

Maybe you could also tell when I mentioned the RNLI searching for charter boat anglers.

Justifying my claim that charter boat anglers are stupid?? keep going, your doing that for me.

 

I understand you point sportsman but what you are litterally saying everybody who goes on water on any vessel off any kind from a charterboat to the QE2 should at all times wear a lifejacket safety has allways comes first in my book i did offshore survival courses myself on a few occasions when i worked in the oil industry but you can take things to the extreme.

 

paul.

Edited October 27, 2012 by big_cod

[Newt]

I read some report of that rig that went down in the North sea years ago. it said most of the deaths was caused by the icy waters freezing their throat and so they couldn't breath

 

4 minutes is about right but the cause of most of the "instant" deaths is a quick drowning. The shock of hitting icy cold water makes you exhale rather explosively and if you are going under at the same time, you may try to breathe water when you have an immediate need for air.

[Phone]

Newt,

 

Bases on risk/benefit and claims of logical and illogical ignorance it really come down to personal choice. Fundamentally, I am with Big Cod - in the same fashion as we use personal and commercial aircraft. Steve Polyak put it best, "Before we work on artificial intelligence why don't we do something about natural stupidity?"

 

Phone

[Andrew]

No, you're just being as stupid as normal so now I have said my piece about lifejackets I don't have to put up with your stupidity any longer

Byee :bye1:

 

And the usual retort from you, if people dont agree with you, out comes the dummy, grow up and act your age, people can have diffrent oppinions from you, if you cannot accept that then thats your problem not mine, good God what a bloody moaner, grown up for Gods sake.

 

And this time, please stick to the ignore button.

Edited October 27, 2012 by Andrew

[Sportsman]

I understand you point sportsman but what you are litterally saying everybody who goes on water on any vessel off any kind from a charterboat to the QE2 should at all times wear a lifejacket safety has allways comes first in my book i did offshore survival courses myself on a few occasions when i worked in the oil industry but you can take things to the extreme.

 

paul.

 

I think just a tiny bit of common sense would suggest that I wasn't referring to large ships. This is too important a subject to make childish remarks or start stupid pointless arguments about

I trained the crews of the standby boats in sea survival, boat handling, onboard operations and first aid.

I was personally involved in the rescue and treatment of survivors from the Piper Alpha in 1988. I know that unexpected events can occur. If they happen on land then you can expect rapid assistance. On the water help may be delayed so if you want to survive you have to stay alive until help finds you. A lifejacket would make a major contribution to this.

 

By the way, regardless of what others would like to make it, I am not just referring to charter boats. I am sure that they are very well found and equipped and that they have an excellent safety record. Doesn't mean that the unexpected cannot occur. Just imagine if the unimaginable happened. The anglers on board are not seamen, regardless of what they think, they would not know what to do or how to do it. You will know from your survival courses how hard it is to get into a liferaft for instance. People die and the next of kin discover that there were life jackets on board but they weren't being worn. Survivors come ashore with stories of panic and not knowing where the life saving equipment was. No safety briefs, no demonstrations. Wouldn't want to be in that skipper's shoes, would you?

For what it's worth the worst offenders that I used to see on a regular basis were fly anglers on large lakes and reservoirs. They would be out in small unstable boats, no life jacket and no idea. Then, to make it worse they stand up to cast. Boat rocking all over the place. Happens all too often.

[barry luxton]

of course the real reason you don't use charter boats is that your a cr@p angler. yes.

 

here's a bit you wrote sport quote you, ok, with us behind your rubbery off switch: I still see Kn*bs standing up casting fly rods in the middle of reservoirs or charter boats with not one person wearing a life jacket or immersion suit.

When the boat founders you don't have time to find one and put it on....................

 

 

Now what evidence have you got that charter boats are inherantly unsafe, mores to the point, how much time is wasted by the rnli rescuing the kn@bs. Of course you can't answer that because you don't have any facts to back up your claims. And you recon us kn@bs are all tic. As you don't go aboard, from what ports do your bring your observations from , uk one's or french? Answer that one.

 

Do you know the differance between a charter boat and a life boat, i don't think you do. Here, just for you, ok. A life boat is classed as all weather, so the guys dress up for the purpose, so along with life jackets they also wear immersion suits, too right, totally agree.

 

 

Now a charter boat is classed as a coded, insured, passenger carrying vessel, ok so far, Why do the passengers need an immersion suit? I have difficulty with that one. And are you telling us you never ever see anglers aboard wearing say pfd's for example, like floatation suits. Ohh, iv'e sussed it, you live too far from the sea and you don't have a camera for the evidence. Just admit, it's you who don't wish to see. Whats the difference between an immersion suit and a floatation suit, colour? Yes your foto of yellow immersion rnli suits, however, i have seen red one's also, how do you know the differance to make your wild claim re charter boats, who's the kn@b.

 

Here's some more for you to chew on during brekkie, many of the latest charter boats, cost anything up to a third of a million, the catermaran for example is one of the best, safest fishing platforms developed. Do you think for one minute any skipper would pay that sort of dosh without safty in mind. Your bit about foundering, how many back up systems do you think one of these boats have, remember, ther'e not classed as dingeys, your problem is that you have never been on one (cr@p angler) or looked at what they have, there's alarms all over the place, in the bilges, more often than not, the'res more tham one, as for pumps there's always more than one on these boats, both manual and auto, a cat will have at least four, think about it. As for the electronics, radar, more warning alarms, radio, instant comms. I'm beggining to liken the dashes to aircraft cockpits Two hulls, hummm, how many have foundered to back up your claim of wasting rnli time? And you think we are the stupid ones aboard, your off your rocker mate. no no, your a p c junkie without evidence. Now be a good BOY and go back and re-read my posts again and see where you think i have been stupid, thick or downright dangerous in pursuit of my hobby. If you can find something, correct me but provide the evidence to back it up or carry on behind your rubbery switch, do i take my safty serious, of course i do, what i also know is that from time to time even on a n the dicussion re the values of life jackets and pfd's floatation devices reappears, just accept that there is a differance of opinion and all will be well. cheers sport.

 

p.s. you posted while i was doing mine, i'm not removing it, however, i will agree to dissagree and promise that i won't do joined up writing

Edited October 28, 2012 by barry luxton

[Sportsman]

of course the real reason you don't use charter boats is that your a cr@p angler. yes.

 

here's a bit you wrote sport quote you, ok, with us behind your rubbery off switch: I still see Kn*bs standing up casting fly rods in the middle of reservoirs or charter boats with not one person wearing a life jacket or immersion suit.

When the boat founders you don't have time to find one and put it on....................

 

 

Now what evidence have you got that charter boats are inherantly unsafe, mores to the point, how much time is wasted by the rnli rescuing the kn@bs. Of course you can't answer that because you don't have any facts to back up your claims. And you recon us kn@bs are all tic. As you don't go aboard, from what ports do your bring your observations from , uk one's or french? Answer that one.

 

Do you know the differance between a charter boat and a life boat, i don't think you do. Here, just for you, ok. A life boat is classed as all weather, so the guys dress up for the purpose, so along with life jackets they also wear immersion suits, too right, totally agree.

 

 

Now a charter boat is classed as a coded, insured, passenger carrying vessel, ok so far, Why do the passengers need an immersion suit? I have difficulty with that one. And are you telling us you never ever see anglers aboard wearing say pfd's for example, like floatation suits. Ohh, iv'e sussed it, you live too far from the sea and you don't have a camera for the evidence. Just admit, it's you who don't wish to see. Whats the difference between an immersion suit and a floatation suit, colour? Yes your foto of yellow immersion rnli suits, however, i have seen red one's also, how do you know the differance to make your wild claim re charter boats, who's the kn@b.

 

Here's some more for you to chew on during brekkie, many of the latest charter boats, cost anything up to a third of a million, the catermaran for example is one of the best, safest fishing platforms developed. Do you think for one minute any skipper would pay that sort of dosh without safty in mind. Your bit about foundering, how many back up systems do you think one of these boats have, remember, ther'e not classed as dingeys, your problem is that you have never been on one (cr@p angler) or looked at what they have, there's alarms all over the place, in the bilges, more often than not, the'res more tham one, as for pumps there's always more than one on these boats, both manual and auto, a cat will have at least four, think about it. As for the electronics, radar, more warning alarms, radio, instant comms. I'm beggining to liken the dashes to aircraft cockpits Two hulls, hummm, how many have foundered to back up your claim of wasting rnli time? And you think we are the stupid ones aboard, your off your rocker mate. no no, your a p c junkie without evidence. Now be a good BOY and go back and re-read my posts again and see where you think i have been stupid, thick or downright dangerous in pursuit of my hobby. If you can find something, correct me but provide the evidence to back it up or carry on behind your rubbery switch, do i take my safty serious, of course i do, what i also know is that from time to time even on a n the dicussion re the values of life jackets and pfd's floatation devices reappears, just accept that there is a differance of opinion and all will be well. cheers sport.

 

p.s. you posted while i was doing mine, i'm not removing it, however, i will agree to dissagree and promise that i won't do joined up writing

 

Yep, you're right

Accidents never happen

Boats don't sink

People don't die

Cats are the safest boats of all

 

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