Who Ruined Britain

[chesters1]

all of those are gods to some and all bar the last seem to go hand in hand ,the last one can ofcourse get the lot if you find those that believe you are its mouthpeice

Edited October 9, 2008 by chesters1

[corydoras]

Worshipping what cory?

 

Money, power, women, fame, or just a God?

 

John.

All of the above.

[Guest challenge]

If so many are going to suffer for the grimy greed of a few, then it all goes back to Thatcher.

[chesters1]

it goes back to when we lived in caves

[Guest challenge]

it goes back to when we lived in caves

But didn’t Thatcher arrive on the seen and proclaimed that the jobs where people get there hands dirty where old fashioned and that the financial sector would generate the money we needed to pay our way.

[chesters1]

no she nudged the free market enterprise door open a little more ,don't blame maggie if successive parliaments didn't shut it again .

past govs are easy to blame if they were that bad why didnt the next one change things back?.

if you have the next government as conservatives just listen to labour when the cons try to sort the mess out ,tax rises tsk tsk labour wouldnt do that etc forgetting conveniently that the cons now have to tax more or cut back to get us out of labours deep hole they left the country in.

maggies attack on the unions was merely to try and stop them strangling britain with their threats and stoppages and ofcourse unions are usually labourites

the conservatives treated the unions the same way as labour treats the countryside.

i'v been in 2 unions both never got me more money than the rise in the subs they demanded ,in the 60's they had power ,too much power .absolute crap with their walkouts for crap reasons .i picked the post up (the boss asked me to) but as i was white collar it was a blue collars job (she was ill ,i usually took it from her up a floor this time i took it direct from the postie) 3 day walkout crazy!!!!.

being the only white collar sogat member on a floor i was made a father of the chapel (the youngest i believe ,i had to go to natsopa house to have it sorted out) of myself i had the power to put myself on strike!! crazy.

the boss had to negotiate via me to tell me what to do closed shops were nothing more than holding firms to ransom knowing full well the unions had power over everyone employed rather than the bosses.

unions were formed for good reasons but to much power makes their demands far above whats practical to run a company ,you need poorly paid members to make companies competitive as we now see over the years by where our goods come from few are now by our companies because they cannot compete with the amount of laws ,rules and comparatively well paid workers.

things though will soon go in circles once china and india's inflation goes through the roof (and it did in others and will there) they will price themselves out of the market and we may eventually drag ourselves up to be a third world country and make everything as we did in the past

Edited October 12, 2008 by chesters1

[Guest challenge]

no she nudged the free market enterprise door open a little more ,don't blame maggie if successive parliaments didn't shut it again .

past govs are easy to blame if they were that bad why didnt the next one change things back?.

if you have the next government as conservatives just listen to labour when the cons try to sort the mess out ,tax rises tsk tsk labour wouldnt do that etc forgetting conveniently that the cons now have to tax more or cut back to get us out of labours deep hole they left the country in.

maggies attack on the unions was merely to try and stop them strangling britain with their threats and stoppages and ofcourse unions are usually labourites

the conservatives treated the unions the same way as labour treats the countryside.

i'v been in 2 unions both never got me more money than the rise in the subs they demanded ,in the 60's they had power ,too much power .absolute crap with their walkouts for crap reasons .i picked the post up (the boss asked me to) but as i was white collar it was a blue collars job (she was ill ,i usually took it from her up a floor this time i took it direct from the postie) 3 day walkout crazy!!!!.

being the only white collar sogat member on a floor i was made a father of the chapel (the youngest i believe ,i had to go to natsopa house to have it sorted out) of myself i had the power to put myself on strike!! crazy.

the boss had to negotiate via me to tell me what to do closed shops were nothing more than holding firms to ransom knowing full well the unions had power over everyone employed rather than the bosses.

Not saying that new labour could have stopped the rot.

But it was Thatcher’s kind of casino capitalism a culture of unfettered and unapologetic greed that has brought us to this wretched point.

Thatcher’s city spivs stand there now with there hands out, asking for a compassion that was never shown to the miners, the printers, the shipbuilders, the steel workers or the fishermen.

Thatcher’s unregulated capitalism looks as morally wrong and intellectually bankrupt as any nuttiness cooked up by Karl Marx.

We need to get back to the country that some of us still remember. When real people had real jobs. Where the safety net that the state provided for the poor and vulnerable was a last resort, not a bouncy castle to be abused by all and sundry.

Capitalism was never meant to be a casino where the greedy gambled with someone else’s money. The welfare state was never meant to be a Lucy dip for anyone who wanted something for nothing.

[chesters1]

when labour allows half (if not more) of britains companies to have foreign owners (and thus choosing where to pay the bulk of their taxes) them maggie was small fry .

if things were that bad the next government could have shut the door ,labour didnt but ensured maggie was seen to be blamed for opening it but dodged the fact they never shut it as they enjoyed the fruits as well

the benefits system was easily manipulated far more by labour knowing that every person on incapacity benefit or new deal or a 100 and one other "schemes" suddenly disappeared off the jobless list making their "facts" look good regarding employment ,the bills probably 5 times higher hiding them but numbers are numbers and ofcourse something to brag about in question time or pm's questions.

people have always gambled with other peoples money its called commerce.

the unions destroyed the big industries not the employers maggie tried to halt it but only partly succeeded as the "poor" workers mouth pieces now enjoyed the same power as the bosses they worked for if not more.if red tape and pure expenses of making something is more than somewhere else then price dictates the product is bought elswhere ,something labour with their incessant running towards fully integrating into the federal state of europe is ensuring.labours continual making of laws (along with the EU) only ensure far more red tape is stopping companies competing and companies simply go elswhere to get round it .

maggie wasnt perfect but labours frenzy of giving the whole country away to foreigners is nothing short of treason.

labour crowed about the housing slump in conservative times but now are suddenly very evasive concerning today ,ask any house builder if were doing as well as labour boast we are ask them to compare it when the conservatives ran things in the last slump

last time you gave over your keys knowing it probably meant a slight owing to the mortgage company now look how much trouble your 5 times salary or more mortgage is costing you then ask why brown (who should know money matters) didnt do anything?

 

Under the Labour government of James Callaghan, a review by Lord Beswick had led to the reprieve of the so-called 'Beswick plants', for social reasons, but subsequent governments were obliged under EU rules to withdraw subsidies.

British Steel was privatised in 1988 (been losing money for decades from its now collection of firms under one banner) under the Conservative government of Margaret Thatcher. It merged with the Dutch steel producer Koninklijke Hoogovens to form Corus Group on 6 October 1999.[3] Corus itself was taken over in March 2007 by the Indian steel operator Tata Steel.

 

so we blame maggie then?

 

the EU destroyed british fishing aided and abetted by our fishermen.

 

dont mention the miners they had been naughty for decades causing trouble ,the good thing is though we have vast resources still of coal for future use

 

and printers (read my post again) were their own worst enemy as were the ship builders ,huge companies dont fold because the boss retires or has got bored they fold because they lose money!

people forget its these "evil" bosses that employ people in the first place mines,steelworks and boat yards dont just pop up as a gift some bugger needs to put money into them and they expect a return on their investment

Edited October 12, 2008 by chesters1

[gozzer]

Chesters, while I agree with some of what you wrote, one question.

 

 

When did we last have a Labour Government?

Cos, I don't remember one since before Queen Maggies reign.

 

 

John.

[chesters1]

you must do ,just as it folded (1979) the country was in the same shite it is now

if the conservatives get in next time they will have to make the same hard decisions they did last time but despite that labour inherited a country with a very good financial pedigree which they just blew away with their usual mismanagement as we see now.

with things as they are i expect labour wishes every day they will lose so they can crow about the conservatives decisions sorting labours mess out instead of having to do it themselves.a lot of labours "gifts" to the masses dont come into fruition for a year or so so the next gov will need to fork out labours headline catching generosity as well.

labours not all bad just as conservatives arn't all good ,the nhs has improved somewhat but at a huge cost most of it through selling or stealing or borrowing.

it would be nice to see the other side of the coins we hear of lovely new hospitals opening but never how many closed ,the same for schools etc.

what was a fair assessment of intellect we had in the old exams has now been destroyed so no-one does bad and it seems any fool can get a uni place today rather than improving the countries minds far more bad pupils will drag the good ones down and once they all get out of the system even a university degree wont prove anything we will just have graduate dustmen or bog cleaners doing the same jobs without any chance of getting anywhere as their diploma is worthless.

my hard won city and guilds are now laughed at employers want "modern" bits of paper that prove nothing that the holder remembered the answers to the last couple of years papers not actually working things out themselves.

good schools now are full of pupils who's parents can afford to move to the catchment area rather than insisting their closest one should improve the same goes for the post code lottery of the nhs ,labour hasnt really accomplished much when you look hard !even when its "new" its still rooted in its old.

as the saying goes conservatives make the rich richer and the poor poorer it seems labour just makes everyone poorer except for the rich. they ofcourse are foreign or move to foreign climes out of harms way

Edited October 12, 2008 by chesters1