Homeopathy

[Ken L]

Damn tootin' the NHS should'nt be funding it, that goes for Osteopathy, Chiropractic, Acupuncture, Aromatherapy, The Alexander Technique and any other non-evidence based quackery.

 

and Reiki, and, crystal healing, and Tibetan bodywork, and colour therapy, and reflexology and my personal favorite "Tachion Healing".

 

I still have queries about accupuncture and would like to see the paramaters of the studies that lead to it being dismissed as far as NHS funding goes.

There is certanly plenty of at least anecdotal evidence that it is effective for pain relief in both people and animals but I was always very wary of claims that it can help with stopping smoking or depression.

[Steve Burke]

There are quite a number of double blind trials done on homeopathy that showed positive benefits. Additionally homeopathy has had successes in veterinary medicine where there is most unlikely to be a placebo effect.

 

One of the attributes of a good scientist is to have a open mind rather than preconceived ideas. Many of those who poo-poo homeopathy fail this test by saying that homeopathy can't work because of the dilutions involved. Instead they should be saying that we need to find out why the results in my first paragraph are sometimes obtained and sometimes not. Could we be missing something?

 

Scientists used to say that hypnosis was a load of bunk; now it's recognised as a beneficial treatment in many areas. Vacination used to laughed at by the establishment. It's possible that as we understand more we just may change our views on homeopathy in the same way.

 

Me? Well I've got an open mind. More so than some scientists it would seem!

[five bellies]

Damn tootin' the NHS should'nt be funding it, that goes for Osteopathy, Chiropractic, Acupuncture, Aromatherapy, The Alexander Technique and any other non-evidence based quackery.

 

 

 

Osteopathy,Chiropractic,Quackery ? And unproven? both have given releif to thousands The Chiropractic that I used Speacialised (Sorry about my spelling) in martial arts injuries The before and after Xrays that Where taken of my injuries where quite amazing and so was the easing of the pain I was having in my back and Ribs (well we all come second sometimes )

[corydoras]

There are quite a number of double blind trials done on homeopathy that showed positive benefits. Additionally homeopathy has had successes in veterinary medicine where there is most unlikely to be a placebo effect.

 

One of the attributes of a good scientist is to have a open mind rather than preconceived ideas. Many of those who poo-poo homeopathy fail this test by saying that homeopathy can't work because of the dilutions involved. Instead they should be saying that we need to find out why the results in my first paragraph are sometimes obtained and sometimes not. Could we be missing something?

 

Scientists used to say that hypnosis was a load of bunk; now it's recognised as a beneficial treatment in many areas. Vacination used to laughed at by the establishment. It's possible that as we understand more we just may change our views on homoeopathy in the same way.

 

Me? Well I've got an open mind. More so than some scientists it would seem!

Show me one the results of one double-blind trial that has shown positive results for homoeopathy. Have you any idea how 'dilute' these solutions are? Have you never heard of Avagadro's Number? What diseases can be cured by hypnotherapy? I'll bet that if you are diagnosed with some horrible cancer, you will go straight to the best Oncologist you can find, not your local friendly homoeopath or hypnotist. I too have an open mind, but not to cr@p that has been proven not to work.

 

From the NHS Direct web site

Homeopaths believe that homeopathy can help with any condition which the body has the potential to self-repair. As a result, they suggest that homeopathy can be used to treat a wide range of acute and chronic medical conditions.

 

However, homeopathy should not be used in place of conventional medical treatment, but only as a complement to it.

 

Homeopaths do not treat problems such as broken limbs, damaged joints, or severe physical injury. Serious acute or life-threatening conditions such as heart attack, stroke, diabetic coma, epileptic seizure or asthma attack should not be treated with homeopathy.

 

Homeopathic remedies are considered extremely safe and can be given to people of any age.

 

One thing is sure. Homeopathic medicines are very safe. A wee bit of distilled water or sugar never did anybody any harm.

 

Do you really think that this voodoo should be funded from our taxes?

 

Osteopathy,Chiropractic,Quackery ? And unproven? both have given releif to thousands The Chiropractic that I used Speacialised (Sorry about my spelling) in martial arts injuries The before and after Xrays that Where taken of my injuries where quite amazing and so was the easing of the pain I was having in my back and Ribs (well we all come second sometimes )

Really, do you know if your chiropractor was a 'straight' or a 'mixer'? Do you know what chiropractors actually beleive? Oh and BTW when are you going back again. Isn't it a bit strange that you need to keep going back to your chiropractor. (no pun intended) Edited August 28, 2007 by corydoras

[Guest Brumagem Phil]

There are quite a number of double blind trials done on homeopathy that showed positive benefits. Additionally homeopathy has had successes in veterinary medicine where there is most unlikely to be a placebo effect.

 

One of the attributes of a good scientist is to have a open mind rather than preconceived ideas. Many of those who poo-poo homeopathy fail this test by saying that homeopathy can't work because of the dilutions involved. Instead they should be saying that we need to find out why the results in my first paragraph are sometimes obtained and sometimes not. Could we be missing something?

 

Scientists used to say that hypnosis was a load of bunk; now it's recognised as a beneficial treatment in many areas. Vacination used to laughed at by the establishment. It's possible that as we understand more we just may change our views on homeopathy in the same way.

 

Me? Well I've got an open mind. More so than some scientists it would seem!

 

Well posted Steve, I can't even be bothered to post back to some of the narrow minds on here! I'll bet whilst debunking allthey don't understand they are happy to hang of the every word of someone like Steven Hawking (I have a friend who fits this mould completely).

 

Its amazing........people take prozac yet the scientist don't actually know quite why it works (the obvious theories have been questioned many times) and whats more one of the biggers killers in the world today are the drugs we are prescribed.

 

The knockers ought also take note of where some of our best medicines come from.........straight from nature.

[Guest Rabbit]

Well for what its worth ....no way should these 'treatments' be funded by the NHS. however no need to be condemning of all the black arts Cory, take for instance acupuncture, it DOES work, why ? Don't worry about it just accept it. before the drugs that we are awash with now we had to look to nature to ease our ailments, and no doubt it some herbs do work.

 

I was involved with HERBALIFE some years back the sponsors of LA Galaxy shirts as worn by David Beckham. This American company have parted many folk with their money under false pretences that herbs can cure all not least weight loss. truth is its a huge con trick . I believed in their propaganda, and gave my time and some money, even gave up my job to work the 'business'. They make huge profits from gullible people who actually believe their diets work they don't,

neither does the business plan save for a few within the Herbalife mafia, the Americans are so overwight and gullible I have no sympathy whatsoever with them.

 

But if anyone here gets approached by this organisation , tell them where to put their pills

[Steve Burke]

Cory, do a search on Google for "homeopathy double blind". You'll obviously be surprised at what you find. Please don't take this as a critisism though, few do know much about the subject or they have preconceived ideas.

 

I know only a little myself, but I've actually been involved in homeopathy, not as a practitioner but indirectly during my business consultancy days, including in some of the research. It certainly made me think!

 

And, yes, I have heard of Avogadro's Number. I'd reply, to coin a phrase, "I refer the Honourable Gentleman to the answer I gave earlier"!

[Ken Davison South Wales]

Oh, I'm willing to concede that it's a belief system, in much the same way that I am willing to concede that RADAR and blind guesswork are both navigation systems. What I'm not willing to concede is that it is intellectually or practically equivalent to every other system. That's where the postmodern relativist take on it is profoundly wrong.

 

Tell you what, though; there must be some grain of suspicion in people's minds, I've yet to meet someone whose car broke down and they called a faith healer instead of a mechanic...

 

Maybe it is because the car has not got soul, my mate Sid survived two ops to restore circulation to his leg, three amputations, the removal of a large growth in his stomach and a stroke which left him without speech and a useless right arm. He lives by himself, does all his own cooking, washing, ironing and basic cleaning, showers himself, goes shopping, tends his raised garden beds, emails me daily and puts it all down to GARLIC, hey that's sublime faith and for him it works still fighting on at 81yrs young.

 

Irony: If the bloody science had been any good he would still have his leg, simply remove stomach growth that was using the blood the leg required to heal and no other ops were required.

 

Some times witchcraft works magic Sid's garlic certainly does, what I would give for some of his faith.

[Newt]

I dunno about the UK but in the States, we have Osteopathic schools similar to Medical schools but with more emphasis on the skeletal system. A Doctor of Osteopathy has the same license to practice and prescribe as a Doctor of Medicine.

 

I had occasion to work with both sorts of doctors during my 27 years military service and as nearly as I could tell they were about the same with some medical doctors later specializing in Orthopedics and some osteopaths specializing in neurology, vascular surgery, etc.

 

I have, on occasion, visited a Chiropractor for conditions I thought were within their area of specialty and had good results. I do have issues with those who remind me of the old snake oil salesmen when they claim to broad a range of conditions they can treat though.

[jeepster]

I've used homeopathy regularly, also acupuncture and osteopathy less regularly, and they have all worked for me.

 

Randis pronouncements mean nothing, he's as bad a showman and charlatan as the people he claims to be debunking.