Pub landlord gives 2 fingers to the smoking ban

[Steve Walker]

Non smoker here. The only way the smoking ban adversely affects me personally is that smoking friends keep having to leave the room and, the smoking end of our favourite pub which used to be reliably child-free is now full of them. Still, we've found another pub where children are not allowed.

 

I just think that the smoking policy in a pub ought to be the business of the landlord. The people who work there, and the people who drink there, have a free choice. Pubs aren't a public service, they're a private enterprise, and it's not the government's job to ensure that you get the type of pub you want any more than it's the government's job to stop cinemas showing bloody awful Richard Curtis films. If there had really been a majority of pub goers crying out for smoke free pubs, the free market would have provided. It didn't. The majority who claimed to support the ban evidently didn't care enough to change pubs.

[kleinboet]

The argument about smoking/non-smoking areas is a valid one. This miserable excuse of a government LIED to get the ban in place! Good or bad, it was put into place under false pretences, something THIS government is fond of doing (find out WHAT brown "red-lined" in the EU document he signed!). They said there would be smoking AND non-smoking areas!

 

As I have said before, Brenda smokes AND WAS TOLD BY THE M.S. SPECIALIST TO CONTINUE TO DO SO! I am a non-smoker, yet her smoking does not upset me!

 

As to all this RUBBISH about unfeeling, uncaring, don't give a damn attitude of smokers, I have yet to have a smoker visit me and 'light up' without first asking me! As MrM said the air is polluted (check and see how much since diesels started to gain in popularity - shall we ban them) so that is NO excuse.

As a young child I used to get a great sense of safety when I smelt my dad's jacket (he was a pipe smoker).

This talk by non-smokers is exactly the same as the HSE banning the councils from replacing blown streetlamps because the have "the wrong stepladders" or praising PCSO's for "doing the right thing" as they watched a person drown or disciplining a rescue team leader fot taking a risk and saving a 15yr old girl from a cliff face "without the approved safety gear"

[Guest Rabbit]

Kleinboet

You are a NON SMOKER and yet you condemn the ban on smoking in public places, yet I and some other SMOKERS support the ban, now dont you think there is a message there somewhere?

Perhaps all folk are not cynical and are not so selfish as to want to inflict inconvenience on others for the sake of their so called freedom..

 

Face up to it the law will not be changed, along with hanging and hunting.it is........

 

PROGRESS.

[captain cojones]

or praising PCSO's for "doing the right thing" as they watched a person drown

 

hi klienboet,dont want to take this off topic, but this subject was discussed at length on here at the time of the inquest.

it was said said at the inquest that the two "officers" did not "watch the boy drown",they actually arrived after he was gone and out of sight.

im afraid the "watching the boy drown" was just an example of your fairytale press going into action as usual.

just in the interests of accuracy

[Colin Brett]

And what's all this tosh about people coming out of the pub smelling like an ashtray? Most of the pubs / clubs i frequent have pretty decent air-con / removal systems in place and WORK VERY WELL.

 

At the local PAC meets only 2 or 3 smoked, but we all went home stinking from their smoke!

It only took 1 smoker to foul up my evenings out!

 

I spend a fair bit of time in Ireland and the pubs I frequent there, are full to bursting and it's a job to get in some of them and that's in the sleepy west!

 

Having said the above I do have a small amount of sympathy for smokers, but bear in mind I have put up with smokers exhalation for 60+ years and it's now time for me not to put up with it for hopefully the next 60 years

 

Colin

[DavyR]

If you walk the public roads / streets with road users(cars buses and lorries spilling out diesel fumes) you stink.

 

Do you really? My sense of smell is definitely the most acute of the 5 that I have (the others are no better than in a reasonable state of repair for my age), and I've never noticed myself or anybody else smelling of diesel fumes after walking along busy streets.

 

It's the particulates in diesel that do the damage, not the smell of the stuff.

[kleinboet]

Captain Cojones - It is you that are listening to "hype". Yes the person was underwater (just) when the two PCSO's arrived. BUT THEY WERE SHOWN EXACTLY WHERE HE DISAPPEARED LESS THAN 30 SECONDS AFTER THEY ARRIVED!!! In fact the both of them declared that It was "not their job" to swim out and save someone, even though they were shown where they were!.

I was a lifesaver for many years in South Africa, and have pulled people up on the beach that have been underwater for well over a minute, and they have recovered!

 

Rabbit - I am not bothered about a smoking ban if it imposed with the politicians being upfront and honest. But when they say one thing and do another all of us must stand firm! It is the thin end of the wedge. What if Mr Brown said that WE the voters will only be allowed to vote a party into power, but a separate vote must elect a Prime Minister. When the law is enacted, it is changed to make it almost impossible to vote him out of office! Now I know that sounds far fetched BUT government must be honest, and be SEEN to be honest, or we will be having these debates (which don't do anything!) more and more!

[captain cojones]

Yes the person was underwater (just) when the two PCSO's arrived.

 

you said they watched him drown.

 

BUT THEY WERE SHOWN EXACTLY WHERE HE DISAPPEARED LESS THAN 30 SECONDS AFTER THEY ARRIVED!!!

 

now you are saying again he drowned after they arrived??????

 

 

I was a lifesaver for many years in South Africa, and have pulled people up on the beach that have been underwater for well over a minute, and they have recovered!

 

and i was a proffesional diver,that took part in many operations in this sort of water. it was dangerous,even with the right equiptment and training.

it would be suicidal for someone to attempt it without either.

im my opinion they did right.one body is better than three.

[captain cojones]

last time i was in the uk it was really noticable, the difference in the pubs.

ive always hated the smoke,it was much more enjoyable a night out in my opinion.

our bars are mostly privatly owned, below 100m2 the owners can choose to be either smoking or non smoking.there are notices on the doors, you make your own choice, as do the staff.

over 100m2 there has to be a non smoking area, even if the rest of the bar is smoking.

but to be honest, most of the time everybody is sat outside, so its not so much of an issue, as it is in the uk,where you spend more time closed up against the weather.

[mr motorola]

Do you really? My sense of smell is definitely the most acute of the 5 that I have (the others are no better than in a reasonable state of repair for my age), and I've never noticed myself or anybody else smelling of diesel fumes after walking along busy streets.

 

It's the particulates in diesel that do the damage, not the smell of the stuff.

So the smell of diesel dosen't cause sickness then Davy? If you honestly believe that fumes from vehicles don't transfer over to clothing OR your lungs then take at look at the heavily populated areas of the world such as China or Mexico City and tell them that.

 

The ban and dare i say it 'discrimination' towards smokers is just the tip of a very big iceberg with something rather sinister afoot. What , i don't know but some hidden agenda is happening behind the scenes and the smoking ban is merely testing the water of the English public.