E U. Should we stay or should we leave.

[corydoras]

Since when has a video studded with quotations and references to specific documents amounted to "opinion and hearsay"?

The minute it contradicts chesters worl view.

[chesters1]

Since when has a video studded with quotations and references to specific documents amounted to "opinion and hearsay"?

Because unless you can see them for yourself it is ,i dont mean copies the real thing the statements are based on ,on your desk in full unabridged

And probably what the statements are based on aswell in full unabridged right back to the original findings less the opinion and bias they are gathered with

 

If cory ls satisfied listening slack jawed to opinion then good luck to him but hardly worth the effort looking at opinion on opinion on opinion

Edited March 20, 2016 by chesters1

[Ken L]

So how do you know that the US Constitution exists?

The original is stored in the US national archives but you can only get to see copies or reproductions of he text on a computer.

Even if you were to gain access to the original, how would you verify it's authenticity?

 

The specific claims about the contents of government documents in the video are eminently checkable and potentially refutable. There are no shortage of people opposed to the UK's exit from the EU who have every motive to expose the claims made by UKIP as lies if that's what they are.

Why haven't they done it?

 

As for Cory, he and I have differing views on the UK's ongoing relationship with Europe but if he presents credible evidence supporting his point of view, I will take it on board and I would presume he does the same when I post something. Who knows, with enough evidence and a good enough case, one or both of us could change our positions before the June vote.

[chesters1]

My point exactly we dont know anything is true

Not sure anyone can provide credible of anything ,you could be mistaken even seeing it for yourself so believe nothing especially if it comes from someone else

I cant see the attraction of listening to anyone that maybe wrong (by mistake or design) i will leave it up to those gullible enough to believe anything without absolute proof ,trouble is proof is down to believing its truth ,i dont believe truth (absolute truth) is possible so believe nothing

No problem living life without believing others you will live until you die whatever you believe

Edited March 20, 2016 by chesters1

[Ken L]

You don't even know if you can trust your direct experience. You could after all be a "brain in a vat".

This isn't some strange thought experiment though, it's real life. If I tell you that my supper last night consisted of battered calamari with a home made chili sauce, you would probably accept that without question. If I told you that I was flown to Neptune by space aliens and ate vegetables farmed in the chilly soils of Triton, the evidence required before you believed me would need to be pretty substantial.

There's a continuum between those two points. In the absence of contrary evidence, it seems reasonable to accept that the documents describing the original intentions of those setting up the EU were as described.

[chesters1]

I certainly would believe even if its a lie ,a photoshopped picture of the items you mentioned at dinner could well be all i see ,as i said it means little true or not especially to me whilst others will take it as gospel.

Experience helps but surviving experiences that should kill you shows experience isnt really that good

Theres untold incidences of learned doctors telling people they will never going to walk again and they have six months to live etc and them being occasionally wrong to put doubt in even the most learneds words

Edited March 20, 2016 by chesters1

[barry luxton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3sxl9zjUA4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3sxl9zjUA4

 

Always like to listen to hannon, he does make sense, every pro europeon aught to listen to this and attempt to discredit what the man has to say. thanks for the link.

Edited March 20, 2016 by barry luxton

[big_cod]

We joined European movement for peace and stability and feedom of trade that was the Idea it has grown into something a little more complecated but bulldog Britain the British empire those days are long gone for jobs and hopefully prosperity we will allways be better off I n than out but if it ends up out and things go tits up the outs will dissapeare into the woodwork very fast .

[barry luxton]

We joined European movement for peace and stability and feedom of trade that was the Idea it has grown into something a little more complecated but bulldog Britain the British empire those days are long gone for jobs and hopefully prosperity we will allways be better off I n than out but if it ends up out and things go tits up the outs will dissapeare into the woodwork very fast .

have you seen ALL of kens link? What do you think? Comments more than welcome.

 

If you listen to all the guy has to say, prosperity is NOT linked to the membership of the e u federal state, that's for sure.

 

when the u k joined this 'free market' with few members trade was 36% world gdp with 28 members it's now down to 17%. that don't sound very prosperous to me.

Edited March 20, 2016 by barry luxton

[Phone]

Chesters1,

 

It's 50/50

 

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