E U. Should we stay or should we leave.

[barry luxton]

big_cod, on 28 Nov 2017 - 20:18, said:

Grow up what !! Tell that to those Ford workers

 

 

No problem, it turns out to be a might be, could be, possibly type situation yet again.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/885719/Brexit-news-Brexit-latest-UK-EU-Brexit-bill-Ford-European-Union-free-trade-UK-news

 

you could be out of a job if the u k voted to remain.

[barry luxton]

big_cod, on 29 Nov 2017 - 15:01, said:

Brexit yes today we hear if correct a cash settlement has been agreed now if this is correct when finished it will actually be near on 50 billion and we will still be paying in now correct me if I am wrong was there just one word of this 50 billion we would be paying to the leave the EU before the referendum took place .

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/29/how-many-boris-buses-does-a-brexit-divorce-bill-buy-you

 

Calm down, chill.

 

 

You need to listen to lbc podcast and what ian dunken smith has spoken about today. He has told all nothing is agreed until it's all agreed, so the e u could still be told to go whistle for any money, even david davis has told all, you don't get something for nothing and as late as tonight the p m has told all her Florence speech is still valid. BTW. If the u k does agree to pay something like 40-50 billion it will be over a period of 40 years and as such the u k will save in that time squilions in fees that it will no longer pay into the mess of the e u political nightmare club.

[barry luxton]

big_cod, on 29 Nov 2017 - 04:48, said:

.............................................. I know its in the guardian a very liberal paper but **** still stinks whether you wipe your backside with the mirror or the times .

 

 

 

As for David Davis he could end up in deep .... and is starting to hang himself .

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/david-davis-brext-impact-assessments-parliament-sovereignty-will-of-people-a8080326.html

 

 

Surely you don't consider what is written in the rag in particular the story within has any credibility do you?

 

for example:

 

If the polls move dramatically to show a solid 60-40 majority for remaining, everything changes. A second referendum goes odds-on the moment it is more dangerous to ignore the current democratic will than to ignore the outmoded democratic will of 17 months ago.

 

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Brexit yes today we hear if correct a cash settlement has been agreed now if this is correct when finished it will actually be near on 50 billion and we will still be paying in now correct me if I am wrong was there just one word of this 50 billion we would be paying to the leave the EU before the referendum took place.

Glad to see that you have entered the provisions of 'truth' into you post, and I see that Barry has already adequately replied, but since you addressed the comment at me then I have a right to reply. A classic case of the media creating the legitimacy of a story by introducing it and then reporting on it. A rumour picked up is relayed to a reporter here who asks a nearby MP what he thinks of the rumour, said MP then asks a question in the House asking if the rumour is correct to which the Treasury Minister replies "No deal has been made, if anything in the negotiations has been agreed that deal is not final until the whole deal is made and finalised but in any case there is nothing agreed, becomes factual, simply because the question has been asked and therefore the people who started the rumour (media reporters) have legitimacy because it has been stated in the House as a question and they, the media are now free to report their own rumour as true, and people will read it and buy the copy or click on the website.

 

I expect there will be a 'payment' for exiting, after all the EU is on very dodgy ground financially without the UK, whatever that sum is will be too much to me, but that payment won't be caused by those of us who wish to leave, it will be caused by all the wingers and whiners who continually say 'we must keep the bankers and financial services and the like,' and those who say 'the UK is a tiny Country and cannot survive on its own in the World marketplace,'

 

And No, a payment to leave was not mentioned in the debate prior to the referendum quite simply because the highest law opinion in the land have repeatedly stated that no such payment MUST or SHOULD be paid. The people who created the need to pay are you Big Clod and all the people like you.

[big_cod]

 

 

Surely you don't consider what is written in the rag in particular the story within has any credibility do you?

 

for example:

 

If the polls move dramatically to show a solid 60-40 majority for remaining, everything changes. A second referendum goes odds-on the moment it is more dangerous to ignore the current democratic will than to ignore the outmoded democratic will of 17 months ago.

 

Bloody hell Barry

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/29/scottish-politicians-to-ask-european-court-of-justice-if-uk-can-stop-brexit

[barry luxton]

big_cod, on 29 Nov 2017 - 23:41, said:

Bloody hell Barry

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/29/scottish-politicians-to-ask-european-court-of-justice-if-uk-can-stop-brexit

 

ahhh, second para up from the bottom b c, looks like a precedent has been set, so yet another damp squib.

 

More importantly who are you speaking to in the pba org?

 

 

 

Scottish Tory MSP Oliver Mundell said: "This is another attempt by the loony Left to overturn the democratic will of the British people.

"It is a complete distraction from securing the best deal for Scotland and rest of the UK.

"Rather than carping from the sidelines at this critical juncture they should recognise that the vast majority of those who both voted Leave and Remain want to see politicians working in their best interests."

Conservative Aberdeen South MP Ross Thomson added: "Lets be absolutely clear that UK voted in a democratic and open referendum to leave the EU.

"That result should be respected and delivered on and the UK Government will work to ensure best Brexit deal for Scotland.

It has been claimed PM Theresa May has been has been told by lawyers Article 50 can be revoked

"Sadly it is of no surprise that the Greens and the SNP and Labour want to subvert the will of the people in the same way as Greens and SNP try to do with a second independence referendum."

 

During the Article 50 Supreme Court case, case brought by Gina Miller, both legal teams agreed to proceed on the basis that the decision is not reversible but did not issue their own guidance.

 

Lord Kerr, the Scottish architect of Article 50, believes it is reversible while Liz Truss the former justice secretary, has claimed it is not.

David Davis, the Brexit Secretary, has refused to state either way.

[big_cod]

And with a near on diplomatic row between trump and Teresa May this morning and we are going to rely on America for trade after brexit when trump can kick us about like a football dumber and dumber comes to mind with brexit the reality of cutting ties wit Europe yes its real .

 

So should trumps visit be cancelled an argument is breaking out that his visit should be now cancelled after his very controversial comments.

 

And net migration falls looking like brexit is taking its affect 80,000 less EU citizens not Turks , Syrians now not coming now as the construction industry is warning of hugh shortage of skilled labour .

Edited November 30, 2017 by big_cod

[big_cod]

Glad to see that you have entered the provisions of 'truth' into you post, and I see that Barry has already adequately replied, but since you addressed the comment at me then I have a right to reply. A classic case of the media creating the legitimacy of a story by introducing it and then reporting on it. A rumour picked up is relayed to a reporter here who asks a nearby MP what he thinks of the rumour, said MP then asks a question in the House asking if the rumour is correct to which the Treasury Minister replies "No deal has been made, if anything in the negotiations has been agreed that deal is not final until the whole deal is made and finalised but in any case there is nothing agreed, becomes factual, simply because the question has been asked and therefore the people who started the rumour (media reporters) have legitimacy because it has been stated in the House as a question and they, the media are now free to report their own rumour as true, and people will read it and buy the copy or click on the website.

 

I expect there will be a 'payment' for exiting, after all the EU is on very dodgy ground financially without the UK, whatever that sum is will be too much to me, but that payment won't be caused by those of us who wish to leave, it will be caused by all the wingers and whiners who continually say 'we must keep the bankers and financial services and the like,' and those who say 'the UK is a tiny Country and cannot survive on its own in the World marketplace,'

 

And No, a payment to leave was not mentioned in the debate prior to the referendum quite simply because the highest law opinion in the land have repeatedly stated that no such payment MUST or SHOULD be paid. The people who created the need to pay are you Big Clod and all the people like you.

sphugh people like me that have caused us to pay our commitment to the EU we have a contract if you walk away you have to honour it thats the law its people like you who have got us into this crazy madness which is turning into a nightmare and it aint finished yet and farage has been kicked out of his local pub No more brexit propaganda there I see and rightly so .

Edited November 30, 2017 by big_cod

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sphugh people like me that have caused us to pay our commitment to the EU we have a contract if you walk away you have to honour it thats the law its people like you who have got us into this crazy madness which is turning into a nightmare and it aint finished yet and farage has been kicked out of his local pub No more brexit propaganda there I see and rightly so .

"That's the law" No it certainly is not, Laws in the UK are made in two ways, the senior of this procedure is "Case Stated" where a Judge makes a decision in a case thereafter creating a "Precedent" how any particular law is understood and applied, The Law Lords have already stated as I previously said. But glad you are happy to pay, lots of us are not.

 

"And Farage has been kicked out of his local Pub." Do you ever read anything properly or do you just see what you are looking for? Quite Simply, NO HE HASN'T.

[big_cod]

"That's the law" No it certainly is not, Laws in the UK are made in two ways, the senior of this procedure is "Case Stated" where a Judge makes a decision in a case thereafter creating a "Precedent" how any particular law is understood and applied, The Law Lords have already stated as I previously said. But glad you are happy to pay, lots of us are not.

 

"And Farage has been kicked out of his local Pub." Do you ever read anything properly or do you just see what you are looking for? Quite Simply, NO HE HASN'T.

Well is he allowed any more political trash on brexit in his local nope he isnt barred from that so to put it in a nutshell he has been told go and whistle or he could go and see his mate trump what a pair those 2 make they go perfect together a special relationship and the pair are full of **** . Edited November 30, 2017 by big_cod