E U. Should we stay or should we leave.

[chesters1]

Hes passionate about cheap holidays and fags ,he even enforces it when he said "we" would lose the right to free travel in the EU !

No-one ever went abroad pre 1974? ,no-one came here pre 1974 ?,we dont have to be in the EU to visit the EU you just need to ask nicely as we will expect for EU visitors coming here ,most of the world does it no bother!

Edited August 12, 2019 by chesters1

[big_cod]

 

"Paul Kilpatrick, chairman of Whitby's Charter Skippers and owner of Sea Otter II" compared to the people living with the consequences of cheap imported labour, you are "the wealthy".

You might think that your fake socialism is cool and trendy but if it ever gets implemented, you'll find Commissar Jamal and Commissar Dwayne (who both grew up on sink estates) knocking on your door and declaring that the trappings of your bourgeois lifestyle are an affront to the party and if they don't kneel you down and shot you in the head there and then or ship you off for re-education, they will take your home, your boat and your car and if you're lucky and they're not appropriated for use by senior party members, they might let you live in one room.

Have you been smoking something you shouldnt be Ken !!! Fake socialism now thats a good one new one on me no capitalism gone mad privatisation eclectic, gas and lets not forget water. oh yes water all ripping the eyes out of the population and you worry about socialism when you see how much the directors shareholders get out of something people cannot do without they have to pay there inflated prices to keep the shareholders getting the millions in dividends massive wages and of course those very very nice pensions all payed for by joe public when in reality this doesnt need to be case but as long as shower of shite are in power it will carry on . Edited August 12, 2019 by big_cod

[chesters1]

Your talking like the only people with money are tories or tory supporters ,corbyn isnt poor how many poor people earn mp's wages plus the expenses for just about everything they get on top!

Socialism just doesnt work ,its been tried and failed over and over again ,china survives on fear as the biggest ,but you wont be posting on forums socialists dont like non socialists !

Renationilising the utilities wont work either it didnt work very well pre nationalising ,a dream of corbyns masters though the unions once they are all one the unions can reinact the 70's all over again and we will be sitting in the dark again

The interesting thing is if the utilities being divided up was such a bad idea why didnt labour stop it in the 18? Years they had to do it?

You just cannot get it in your head the oppositions words are cheap ,they dont have to do anything but oppose!

Name any "bad" decisions old governments made which are repealed by new ones ? I cant think of any because most were made for one reason but not repealed because somewhere they profit the new one

All the opposition do is blame the government and huff and puff then conveniently forget every thing when thyre in power

Parliament depend on suckers with short memories to vote them in,one fine example lives in whitby

Edited August 12, 2019 by chesters1

[big_cod]

Your talking like the only people with money are tories or tory supporters ,corbyn isnt poor how many poor people earn mp's wages plus the expenses for just about everything they get on top!

Socialism just doesnt work ,its been tried and failed over and over again ,china survives on fear as the biggest ,but you wont be posting on forums socialists dont like non socialists !

Renationilising the utilities wont work either it didnt work very well pre nationalising ,a dream of corbyns masters though the unions once they are all one the unions can reinact the 70's all over again and we will be sitting in the dark again

Your union broken record again Chesters living in past who says renationalising utilities wont work thats your opinion which is wrong they can be run exactly the same as they are now but any profit goes into treasury but that would be marginally very small yes can work perfectly WITH the right man in charge can you explain how Norway ,Finland ,Denmark ,Canada ,Sweden there is more all very prosperous socialist countries are so bad or is it your version of socialism which is bad .

[chesters1]

It didnt work before nationalization ,you have a convieniently short memory ,utilities bills are far cheaper than they used to be .

I remember sitting in the dark and cold in the 60's because my parents couldnt pay the bills its nothing to do with who pays what to who if the gov ran it half the profit would be pay to the civil servents running it and the other half the advisors advising how to run it !

At the moment we have choice who to pay and competition should work (excepting water) under the government your only choice is to sit in the dark

 

PS theres 4 socialist states and yours are not them!

Edited August 12, 2019 by chesters1

[Ken L]

The lurking shadow of Stalinism behind John McDonnell's recent statements should terrify every right thinking Brittan.

[big_cod]

It didnt work before nationalization ,you have a convieniently short memory ,utilities bills are far cheaper than they used to be .

I remember sitting in the dark and cold in the 60's because my parents couldnt pay the bills its nothing to do with who pays what to who if the gov ran it half the profit would be pay to the civil servents running it and the other half the advisors advising how to run it !

At the moment we have choice who to pay and competition should work (excepting water) under the government your only choice is to sit in the dark

 

PS theres 4 socialist states and yours are not them!

That broken union record again Chesters we have moved on from then you didn't really answer my question regarding the countries I quoted which incidentally look after they elderly far better than we do, there is a happy medium in everything it can swing to either way as it has in this country choice you say , so you thinks its far better being overcharged for your water ,electric and gas when it could be cheaper from one ripoff to another take Norway kept all the oil for its people now one of the richest countries per head in world what did we do l maggy thatcher did give all the peoples oil away to multinational oil company's she cost the people of this country billions and billions and still bleeding counting sometimes tax free plots on exploration which the likes of shell made Hugh amounts of money without paying the right amount of tax on oil and gas taken out of the ground , so Who's the mug then thats capitalism actually working against the peoples interest.

 

 

You go on about choice now what choices do I have having to pay more for food with a no deal Brexit imposed on the British people now thats what you call choice is it.

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2019/08/disastrous-outcome-why-experts-think-food-shortages-are-coming-no-deal

Edited August 13, 2019 by big_cod

[Mikench]

Of coarse we will continue our trade with the EU as we are an important market for their cars, White goods, flowers, plants,wine, beer and food and much much more. That trade will be reciprocal . The US is now saying they will do a trade deal on a bit by bit basis such as agree with us on Iran and you can sell us cars. Back us against China( no deal with Wahwei) and we will trade in wine and so on.

 

If we align too far with one side or another we risk alienating the other or those in between like the EU. Deals with Trump could be overturned when he goes and we find ourselves an island. Oh we already are.

 

The whole world is becoming more politically divisive and I have no answers or solutions other than to say that any trade deal we conclude should be all embracing before we run out of bargaining chips.

Edited August 13, 2019 by Mikench

[big_cod]

Brexit news flash UK pensioners to get massive increases in there state pension when we Brexit to fall in-line with Germany France etc its the will of the people or will they they get nothing just price increases on food and everything else-we are one of the richest countrys in the g7 and our pensioners get the least will it change when we Brexit pie in the sky fantasy land

 

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/pensioners-eu-uk/

Edited August 13, 2019 by big_cod

[Ken L]

Full Fact's core funding comes from the far left Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust and the equally far left Nuffield Foundation.

Why should anybody believe a thing that they publish?