Dear believer

[Zigs]

Yes, I think scaring kids into believing in their parents imaginary friend is child abuse. And, as Chesters pointed out, cutting off a bit of a childs' winky just because the parents are Jewish is definately abuse.

 

No religion should be taught to kids full stop. Imagine turning round to a young adult that had never heard of religion & telling them, right, you've now got to believe in an imaginary person, otherwise, when you die, the bit inside your head that somehow will defy death, will go to one of two places that we've made up.

 

They'd just laugh at you, and rightly so.

 

Oh, very good video btw

[chesters1]

Yes, I think scaring kids into believing in their parents imaginary friend is child abuse. And, as Chesters pointed out, cutting off a bit of a childs' winky just because the parents are Jewish is definately abuse.

 

No religion should be taught to kids full stop. Imagine turning round to a young adult that had never heard of religion & telling them, right, you've now got to believe in an imaginary person, otherwise, when you die, the bit inside your head that somehow will defy death, will go to one of two places that we've made up.

 

They'd just laugh at you, and rightly so.

 

Oh, very good video btw

not just jews but moslems as well ,strange two religions at each others throats have so much in common

perhaps its no more than my god is bigger than your god

Edited August 9, 2012 by chesters1

[barry luxton]

perhaps its no more than my god is bigger than your god

 

 

Reminds me of when the comic Dave allen used to say, may your god go with you.

[Ken L]

not just jews but moslems as well ,strange two religions at each others throats have so much in common

perhaps its no more than my god is bigger than your god

 

Nah, 'tis the same god - if such a beastie exists.

 

Maybe it's because they're such different people - Maybe not.

 

Perhaps they find one another's diets abominable - Erm, no.

 

Maybe they just watch

[Emma two]

not just jews but moslems as well ,strange two religions at each others throats have so much in common

perhaps its no more than my god is bigger than your god

 

 

A good example... Genital mutilation done to those who are unable to consent has to be abuse.

 

But perhaps in this instance it's a case of 'my knob is NOT bigger than yours!

 

I have had thesists trying to repremand me over the issue of 'body modifications' claiming it's sinful to 'cut away' or alter body tissue/organs that are working perfectly well as it is

[Phone]

All,

 

Strange turn on a cool video (although the posters are quite predictable). Just so we are all talking from the same page - abuse is - improper treatment for a bad purpose. Is that "abuse"?

Is that an agreeable generalization for purposes of this thread?

 

Emma two,

 

You are certainly quick to pass over questions for which you have no answer and continue abided your often repeated dialogue (no matter the subject of the thread). What's the difference between your position and that of a religious zealot? You have a great deal of zeal. In fact, I'd say your position is even a radical form of a religion or belief. That's OK, but doesn't make you "right". 90+% of the earths human population believe in something. (see video) You are in a huge minority.

 

Phone

[Andy_1984]

Emma. child abuse, really? whats so wrong about teaching a child about their families religious beliefs. how can that in anyway be called child abuse. im sure your family tried to teach, i mean force, their beliefs(religious or otherwise) on you as you were growing up how is that any different. just because you may or may not believe in such utter crap doesnt make you right and them wrong, isnt that the problem with religion and non believers ? everyone needs a "who the feck cares" attitude and just let people get on with it.

 

I have had thesists trying to repremand me over the issue of 'body modifications' claiming it's sinful to 'cut away' or alter body tissue/organs that are working perfectly well as it is

 

so regarding your own 'body modifications' the thesists thought it wrong to do such a thing yet here you are, criticising someone's beliefs. how did it make you feel when people were saying its wrong but in your mind its right.

[Emma two]

All,

 

Strange turn on a cool video (although the posters are quite predictable). Just so we are all talking from the same page - abuse is - improper treatment for a bad purpose. Is that "abuse"?

Is that an agreeable generalization for purposes of this thread?

 

Emma two,

 

You are certainly quick to pass over questions for which you have no answer and continue abided your often repeated dialogue (no matter the subject of the thread). What's the difference between your position and that of a religious zealot? You have a great deal of zeal. In fact, I'd say your position is even a radical form of a religion or belief. That's OK, but doesn't make you "right". 90+% of the earths human population believe in something. (see video) You are in a huge minority.

 

Phone

 

The responses from the posters do indicate that enforced religion and some its associated practices do indeed agree on ‘abuse’ as an agreeable generalisation. (For the purposes here)

I have read back through the thread and cannot find the questions you accuse me of being ‘quick to pass over. So far as I can see I have dodged no questions at any speed. Please list your questions (ant questions) and I shall answer them. Making things up isn’t really good debating form.

 

My position is wholly different from that of a religious zealot in lots of ways. You might say that my position is a radical form of religion or belief, but of course I see that it is wholly wrong to level that charge in whatever way you interpret the words used to make it up. Religious zealots typically do and say lots of things towards those who they see as having views to themselves, they lobby to have laws changed or maintained on issues like abortion, sexuality, the subjugation of women, trading laws etc. I only express my opinions when the subject arises as it did in here (I didn’t start the thread, and it looks very like you are implying that I should be silent over the subject). I don’t go around ‘preaching’ nor so I knock on the doors of others to try and hawk my beliefs, please believe I love it when both religious and political enthusiasts come to the door to try and change me into something which suits them. However I rarely raise the subject, but rather engage with it once it has come up, a bit like a counter puncher in the ring.

 

Please, don’t tell me my beliefs don’t ‘make me right’, that implies conceit upon my part, and that you belive I have no business holding them, for other then in general terms what I hold to be (my) truth is as valid or as flawed as anyone else’s in the absence of contrary evidence. You may comment that no ones pure belief makes then right nor wrong, but to say that only one side (mine) of the argument doesn’t make right is somewhere between patronising and prejudicial.

I think that I can understand what you are trying to say, and your comments are worth keeping as a case in point. You appear to be berating me, it that for actually holding an opinion, or for articulating it here? Do you imagine that just because your 90+% of the population believe in what you describe as ‘something’ that I should too, to fall into line with the pack? Because if that is the case that severely weakens the case for religion, leaving it as little else but a persuasive social construct. I should ignore what my head/heart tells me and go with the flow of popular opinion instead?

That I am in a minority doesn’t frighten me into compliance, people have often rejected the opinions of the ‘majority’ in order to be true to themselves, you belong to a country founded upon that principle.

Edited August 10, 2012 by Emma two

[Emma two]

Emma. child abuse, really? whats so wrong about teaching a child about their families religious beliefs. how can that in anyway be called child abuse. im sure your family tried to teach, i mean force, their beliefs(religious or otherwise) on you as you were growing up how is that any different. just because you may or may not believe in such utter crap doesnt make you right and them wrong, isnt that the problem with religion and non believers ? everyone needs a "who the feck cares" attitude and just let people get on with it.

 

 

 

so regarding your own 'body modifications' the thesists thought it wrong to do such a thing yet here you are, criticising someone's beliefs. how did it make you feel when people were saying its wrong but in your mind its right.

 

 

Yes 'abuse' really. Have a look back through the thread there are some excellent examples and arguments to support that notion.

You can have no idea of what ‘my family’ exposed me to, or not as I grew up which would influence my attitude to wards religion, yet you state that you are ‘sure’ you do. That would be like me saying that I am ‘sure’ that you knock all your pike firmly on the head before setting out to unhook them. For I have no idea what you do to your fish once they are caught and can only rely upon what you tell us, I have no reason to believe anything other than that you handle them as you say you do, but I can’t say that I know for ‘sure’ .

I have not criticised anyone’s beliefs as you put it, but rather have expressed concern over the impacts that the actions borne out of those beliefs have upon others, there is a distinct difference.

Have a look at the links which Ken L posted (post 12)... of course this is abuse however one wraps it up.

[Andy_1984]

Yes 'abuse' really. Have a look back through the thread there are some excellent examples and arguments to support that notion.

You can have no idea of what ‘my family’ exposed me to, or not as I grew up which would influence my attitude to wards religion, yet you state that you are ‘sure’ you do. That would be like me saying that I am ‘sure’ that you knock all your pike firmly on the head before setting out to unhook them. For I have no idea what you do to your fish once they are caught and can only rely upon what you tell us, I have no reason to believe anything other than that you handle them as you say you do, but I can’t say that I know for ‘sure’ .

I have not criticised anyone’s beliefs as you put it, but rather have expressed concern over the impacts that the actions borne out of those beliefs have upon others, there is a distinct difference.

Have a look at the links which Ken L posted (post 12)... of course this is abuse however one wraps it up.

 

 

i said: im sure your family tried to teach, i mean force, their beliefs(religious or otherwise).

 

that statement was made as wide as possible. obviously there are a lot of cases of actual child abuse when it comes to teaching religious beliefs but what of those hard working law abiding followers of faith who raise their children in a happy and loving environment. how would that be child abuse ?

 

here is a definition of criticise: the expression of disapproval of someone or something on the basis of perceived faults or mistakes.

 

you said: I have not criticised anyone’s beliefs as you put it, but rather have expressed concern over the impacts that the actions borne out of those beliefs have upon others, there is a distinct difference.

 

sounds a lot like criticism to me ?