E U. Should we stay or should we leave.

[gozzer]

I voted to leave, but that had nothing to do with immigration. I voted to not join in 1975 and have seen no reason after 40 years in the EU to change my mind.

 

It's bad enough having a raft of corrupt self serving politicians in our own parliament, but whilst in the EU we have a whole other tranche of the buggers deciding what we can and can't do.

 

That alone is enough for me, if we can also stem the flood of economic migrants that can only be a good thing, (for the UK).

 

For 40 years I've had to put up with feeling like I'm living in an occupied country, led by a puppet government controlled from Brussels. A great many remain supporters have never known any other way.

 

 

In 1975 I voted to join the 'Common Market', my vote this time, apart from the reasons I've already given, was partly through guilt. Guilt that I was one of those who brought us to this. Had I been more astute, or less naïve, I would have seen what was to come, and tried to convince those around me to vote no. With each 'Treaty' that's been passed over the years, without consultation with the people it affects, I have felt more betrayed by, and frustrated with, each Government that refused to give the people a say in their own futures.

At the risk of being labelled racist, or xenophobic, (what the hell, I've already had that), immigration was another big issue with me. I should say uncontrolled immigration, but it seems that many of the Remain camp can't see a difference. The signs I see that proclaim that we are a friendly nation, and all are welcome, make me shudder. These signs are usually carried by young people who are as naïve now, as I was back in 75, I hope that when they come to realise their naivety, it won't be with regret like I did, but with a feeling of relief, that we got out when we had the chance.

 

John.

[Anderoo]

Steve, there are millions of people who agree with you, me included, just not here. In fact now it's clear that 'project fear' should have been called 'project bleeding obvious' and the 'so-called experts' just 'experts', I wouldn't be surprised if it's now a majority of the population. But too late now - here we are.

[Tigger]

 

Sorry to hear your poorly Steve, hopefully you'll recover asap!

[barry luxton]

Those are the exact reasons i was for in looking to the future i think it was a big mistake to brexit what really amaizes me is just how naive some many people are i voted out because the sun says so god help us the world we are living in.

 

Being naïve I voted out because 180 degree turncoat jessa told all to vote in.

[Sportsman]

And set against operation fear we had operation obvious lies.Oh, sorry, they weren't lies they were "mistakes" and "misunderstandings"

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629300

Edited June 30, 2016 by Sportsman

[ayjay]

And set against operation fear we had operation obvious lies.Oh, sorry, they weren't lies they were "mistakes" and "misunderstandings"

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629300

 

Politicians lie.

 

In the rare event of them telling the truth, it won't be "the whole truth and nothing but the truth".

 

Stop listening to them and make your own mind up - even if you only go with gut feeling it's a better result than one based on a politicians misinformation.

[Vagabond]

and make your own mind up - even if you only go with gut feeling it's a better result than one based on a politicians misinformation.

 

.....and I think that is exactly what happened, The bulk (not all) of the "remain" group believed the politicians. The bulk (not all) of the "leave" group went with a gut feeling.

 

Saw an interview with a smallholder cum livery stable owner (salt of the earth or ignorant yokel, depending upon your viewpoint) He said he went with a gut feeling about sovereignty and voted to leave - " and if it means I am slightly worse off financially, then so be it"

[Sportsman]

Oh, that's OK then.

You don't think that if these mistakes and misunderstanding had been clarified prior to the vote there may well have been a slightly different outcome?

No, of course not.

 

And it is it looks as though you will be saddled with good old Boris as PM.

You remember him. The man who said that patients should pay for treatment on the NHS and that he was of the firm persuasion that the UK was better off in Europe (until he saw an opportunity to go after camerons job)

 

Of course, it could be Gove. The man who co-authored a book on how the NHS should be replaced with a private system (until he "saw the light")

 

Both of these lying politicians understand, and have always understood, that access to the single market is essential for trade and to attract inward investment.

Both of these lying politicians know, and have always known, that this will not be possible without payment and the free movement of people.

So, it seems very likely that that the UK will end up paying at least as much as they were paying before, in fact, probably more because there will be no rebate. You will also have to accept the free movement of people, so no change there.

The only change will be that your government will no longer have any say whatsoever in future negotiations.

 

As for the idea that there will be no financial penalty, it is very early days. I keep hearing that the pound and the markets are all fine. It sort of makes me think of someone who has jumped from the top of a very tall building and on the way down can be heard muttering "OK, so far"

[barry luxton]

Boris for p m, he supports infrastructure improvements and growth for the u k. onwards and upwards.

 

like a purpose built multi runway hub airport with new crossings over the lower thames for road and rail. As opposed to delay, disappointment and indecision as is portrayed in this link, yet again.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36671328

[barry luxton]

Oh, that's OK then.

You don't think that if these mistakes and misunderstanding had been clarified prior to the vote there may well have been a slightly different outcome?

No, of course not.

 

And it is it looks as though you will be saddled with good old Boris as PM.

You remember him. The man who said that patients should pay for treatment on the NHS and that he was of the firm persuasion that the UK was better off in Europe (until he saw an opportunity to go after camerons job)

 

Of course, it could be Gove. The man who co-authored a book on how the NHS should be replaced with a private system (until he "saw the light")

 

Both of these lying politicians understand, and have always understood, that access to the single market is essential for trade and to attract inward investment.

Both of these lying politicians know, and have always known, that this will not be possible without payment and the free movement of people.

So, it seems very likely that that the UK will end up paying at least as much as they were paying before, in fact, probably more because there will be no rebate. You will also have to accept the free movement of people, so no change there.

The only change will be that your government will no longer have any say whatsoever in future negotiations.

 

As for the idea that there will be no financial penalty, it is very early days. I keep hearing that the pound and the markets are all fine. It sort of makes me think of someone who has jumped from the top of a very tall building and on the way down can be heard muttering "OK, so far"

 

 

Free movement is not suitable to many of the u k electorate, that's why remain lost. Even now there is no movement from the intransigent e u on that point, no a la carte. Down to the e u to perform or the u k will not be the last to leave as said by farage in the parliament. Onwards and upwards.

 

so many negative waves moriarty ( heard that somewhere) .